Sick of the lie 'It's just illegal immigrants people don't like.'

[Slightyamusedandsilly]

This is just not true.

Reform, the flag flyers and protesters are racists. All of this 'It's just the illegals we want gone.' is a lie to excuse their racism.

Our rapidly increasing population is part of it as you well know, a population that is ageing fast, seemingly insurmountable economic problems, technology that has meant less & less jobs since the 80s, vastly over-priced housing and lack of affordable & decent rental properties, an NHS that seems to be doing everything on the cheap as it’s so overstretched & underfunded, schools struggling with kids who seem to be incapable of good behaviour or are thrown in the deep end on arrival as they speak little or no English and all other things that prevent kids from learning, continuing de-industrialisation, ineffective/corrupt/lying politicians are part of it, too. The list is endless but ultimately it comes down to money, and we don’t have enough. Employers want to pay rock bottom wages so we need UC to top these up people can afford to live a decent life. For many people, particularly in deprived areas, they see mass immigration as the straw that broke the camel’s back.

And then they are looked down on by people like you.

For years i have been told I need to be kind to people with a different opinion to mine. I have. I tried to understand their opinion. I struggled to be who they wanted me to be. I fit in.

But they still want me gone.

So I will not, I do not care.

Anyone who votes reform is stupid or racist or wants your money.

Thats it. That's all there is. There is no nuance.
There is no debate.
I have read thousands of articles. I have engaged with many people. I have looked into all the arguments.

They are either stupid, racist, or they want your money.

I can no longer refrain from telling them that from kindness and politeness. They are not kind and polite. Facts don't matter.

So I reiterate.

If you vote reform, you are either stupid, racist, or you want other people's money.

I dont care which one you are, go ahead, I can't stop you. But I see you. You are not fooling me.

Stop pretending.

You are racist, stupid, or you want other people's money.

It is you who will be the downfall of this country.

My company offices are in the centre of Manchester, when we have had protests multiple British employees who happen to not be white have felt afraid to come to work. This is with due cause after a gang of racist men shoved one of our non-white interns onto the concrete at a tram stop and broke her arm. It absolutely breaks my heart that productive, law abiding, tax paying members of the British public are treated like this and feel unsafe in their own city because of the colour of their skin. There is no other excuse as they were born here, have good jobs and contribute to society and still they are targeted during protests. Objecting to uncontrolled migration is one thing, but for every person genuinely objecting to illegal immigration for valid reasons, there are 5 more looking for an excuse to be racist twats.

Using emotive terms such as racist and phobic stops debate. I believe that those who come to live in this country need to integrate and adapt to our culture and values, the problem in my view is that some migrants are not integrating and want to change our society. That is not a racist view but a view and I think the view of many.

As they look down on others. You excuse them. But not the people who argue with them.

You feel more sympathy for your fellow British born strugglers than you do those foreign born.

I see.

Racism isn't emotive. It is. It is tangible.

Even more lack of housing, N.h.s. overwhelmed , we are a small island, we don't have room ! Benefits through the roof! If benefits were not being paid to those not born here, the small boats would be out of customers and empty.

More people to build, more people to work, more taxes to take.

The small boats barely existed before Brexit.

There were legal routes to claim asylum. The small boats were caused by Brexit.

Many countries built up instead of across.

These are now the richest countries in the world
So lack of space is a redundant argument.

I keep thinking of Gordon Brown and thst incident as well. I loved him for it because it showed that he truly didn't think that immigrants were a problem or to be blamed for the ills of this country.

I think if Gordon Brown had won that election we would be living in a different country now. David Cameron gave a voice to racists and allowed racism and xenophobia to be normalised to further his own personal ambitions. He is just a really amoral person..

Thank you. I don't know how many times I have read today that I am rhe reason for people's problem in this country. I appreciate to hear someone say out loud that I am not.

Thank you. I don't know how many times I have read today that I am rhe reason for people's problem in this country. I appreciate to hear someone say out loud that I am not.

YANBU @Slightyamusedandsilly.

The racist riots close to me targeted all and anyone, mostly those who are here legally, who work for a living and pay tax. Unlike the violent scum who forced them out at the expense of law abiding, tax paying citizens.

Unsurprisingly, a disproportionate amount of the violent "patriots" have been investigated for VAWG.

Starmer is now saying a fight with Reform is a ‘fight for soul of the nation’

Except it’s Labour who want to sacrifice that soul in pursuit of never-ending cheap, poorly educated, low-skilled immigration with all the fast-food delivery drivers and middle-class convenience it offers.

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Im not entirely sure what you mean but it sounds racist and stupid.

You think immigrants are here to service the middle class to the detriment of the working class?

So the soul of this country is leaving because British born people can't be slaves for livable wages?

Apologies if I have misunderstood.

This.
And chuck in a desperate shortage of affordable housing for those already here, inc. natives, and it’s no wonder people get pissed off.

Nope
We can build up instead of across.

There are other solutions instead of demonising migrants.

But you are forcing things on people.

You are not trying to find a solution.

You are not helping.

You are just saying no. You matter more.

Who is making the money in this scenario?

Is it the migrants?

I hate the way my local area is changing so quickly. It is unrecognisable and the more the locals move out the worse it becomes. Rubbish and litter everywhere, all local businesses replaced with take aways and vape shops! Permission for a mosque was refused so now its an “ islamic education centre” that happens to be packed full at prayer times 🤷‍♀️. Causes traffic and parking chaos! If that makes you think im racist i really couldn’t give a shit!

Completely disingenuous.

Being concerned about the levels of immigration is not racist.

And it really is completely pathetic to use such lazy arguments just to try to shut people up.

Why are they being let in?

As it's completely disingenuous to say migrants are eating swans. Yet here we are.

Support racist idiots, and get treated like one.