Sick of the lie 'It's just illegal immigrants people don't like.'

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This is just not true.

Reform, the flag flyers and protesters are racists. All of this 'It's just the illegals we want gone.' is a lie to excuse their racism.

I want all perpetrators of sexual violence to know that Brits are tough on that type of crime. In the same way that we want people from other countries to know "we are not the food bank of the world" we should also want them to know "Brits do not tolerate sexual violence".

What a utopian and comfortably vague aim. You do know that rape is already illegal in this country?

As that is a bit of a pipe dream at the moment given that the CPS only manage to make a charge in 1.4% of rape cases, I think reducing the risk should be the priority. Given that men from countries like Afghanistan and Somalia are significantly more likely to be criminals than British men, let’s just keep them out and only take the immigrants we want? The government can work out a plan.

But the rhetoric is asylum seeker=violent offender. There is no bad apple, just a bad bunch.

Nobody said that. Try objecting to something they have actually said.

Not according to this report from the Netherlands in July this year;

During the council debate, some parties, including DENK and the SP, questioned whether it would have been better to bar the Maccabi fans from the game [2024]. [Amsterdam Mayor Femke] Halsema responded by saying that Maccabi Tel Aviv was not known as a club with a history of violent incidents and that if they had chosen to ban the supporters from the game, it would only have been due to their Israeli nationality. “I felt that, given the Dutch government’s position on Israel that would have been irresponsible."

https://nltimes.nl/2025/07/05/amsterdam-may-ban-fans-future-ajax-maccabi-tel-aviv-games-2024-violence

Clavinova
https://nltimes.nl/2025/10/22/birmingham-banned-maccabi-fans-speaking-dutch-police-amsterdam-riots

Your link quotes the Guardian as its source. A further link in the article states that of 122 suspects identified committing various crimes in Amsterdam last year, only 10 were thought to be Maccabi supporters, "the rest seem to be Palestine sympathizers and others who wanted to riot for their own reasons."

Was that while they were running from a "Jew Hunt" in Amsterdam?.

Well, no doubt there are those that use it as a cover for racism. There are also those that aren't thrilled about crimes being committed by people who shouldn't be here. Like young mums getting stabbed 20 times in the head with a screwdriver, 12yo girls being beheaded after being sexually abused and tortured, and large scale mob assaults with 1200 women sexually assaulted and 500 estimated rapes in one evening.

This kind of stuff doesn't really endear you to the people whose taxes are paying for your upkeep.

England is an incredibly racist, misogynist country.

So, which countries should we look up to?

Most of Europe is much more racist than we are - Italians, Eastern Europeans, etc. The Indians I used to work with used to say some pretty nasty stuff about Pakistanis and vice versa. My Muslim workmate doesn't like Jews. My Lithuanian workmate doesn't seem to like anybody that isn't white. A Thai women I used to know (well off, owns a successful restaurant) doesn't like Chinese people or black/brown people. Japanese people are known to be pretty racist towards black people. Arabs/middle eastern countries are well known for exploiting and abusing Filipino maids in a way that wouldn't be deemed acceptable over here.

There is racism in most countries/cultures and wokeness is primarily a thing of the UK/US.

I mean...you kind of made my point.

It's illegal but only 1.4% of people are convicted. what a flipping joke.

Were the 1.4% migrants?

Maybe Afghani and Somali men are more likely to be convicted of a crime...versus what you suggest which is that they are inherently more criminal...

All stats show white men commit the most violent crimes...but I'm sure you've some statistic to explain why that's ok.

I didn't think suggesting being tougher in sexual violence would be at all controversial. But you've proved my point really - sexual violence by certain men is NOT ok to a reform voter.

But other men... well what can you do?

I'm stunned today, the Irish Tánaiste has actually said that the concerns about immigration being too high are valid and that people need to be listened to!

I knew the discourse would have to right itself eventually and people would have to stop pushing the lie that 'it's just racism' but I didn't expect this yet.

They had to say something when, in the space of two weeks, a teenage Ukrainian refugee was stabbed and a TEN-YEAR-OLD Irish girl was raped. Both incidents happened at a migrant shelter

Britain is actually soft on crime in general, all crimes. So I highly doubt any changes are going to happen culturally. They literally just believe criminals can be reformed and that the point of prison is rehabilitation (instead of keeping them the FUCK away from the rest of us)

This is terrifying. And just seems to be relentless. 10 years old and stranger rape. Hideous.

Many prisoners have aligned themselves on a sectarian basis. Not much rehabilitation going on with the terrorists held at Franklin prison for example.

Yep. A bit late. And we get the odd line saying ‘we get it’ and nothing changes. The next week it’s you’re all ‘far right’ anyway from the same politicians.

But you've proved my point really - sexual violence by certain men is NOT ok to a reform voter.

I have no idea how you think I’ve ‘proved your point’ - absolute nonsense.

The point, which you have totally missed is this:

If they (men with a propensity to violence entering this country) are not here, they can’t hurt us.

The government needs to work out how to stop them being here.

My question is does the data show white men do less crime per capita?

I don’t know what to say to people who think that violence committed by local men is as easy to prevent as violence committed by foreign men.

One takes a lot of time and effort to resolve. The other is easy: just don’t let them in, and if they should sneak in, swiftly deport.

As for whether men from more violent, misogynistic cultures are more likely to commit sex crimes? Well, isn’t it obvious? I can’t believe people are innocently asking this question, pretending not to understand when our safety is at risk.

You've proved my point because

Only 1.4% of acts lead to a conviction here.

And your solution isn't to address the systematic reasons that lead to this.

But make sure no brown men (who may or may not commit this type of crime) can enter the country.

I imagine your head is hurting just trying to understand my point.

Your brain - 98.6% if all sexual violence leads to no consequence in the UK. Solution... stop letting migrants in!

I am appalled by the acts of violence commited by those in hotels by the way and completely agree with their deportation. They shouldn't be here. I don't want boat loads of people crossing the channel but we have NO other legal routes for them to come here.

NO ONE in reform is talking about reforming our systematic failures surrounding it - they are using these horrific individual acts as an excuse to "other" migrants and paint them ALL as inferior and vile and criminal.... Straight out of the nazi textbook about the "profile" of a Jew.

Why don't we give asylum seekers legal routes for get here? Then we could vet them... Reform has nothing to say about that

No one in Reform is talking about how to actually stop the boats.

It's ridiculous to say these men are from mysoginstic cultures incompatible with their attitude to women... all the while we have the rates of domestic and sexual violence we do...

To be clear... I don't want to import any more mysogny!!

I think you can do both. You can advocate to reform the UK justice system and also not want a mass increase of migrants in the country. Culturally these asylum seekers are from countries and cultures that aren't really compatible. We saw what happened in Uxbridge. We saw what happened in Essex. We don't need to have to keep letting people in.

Thank you!

Reform is a one trick pony. Lots of sound bites and no actual strategy.

I note that you've quoted two recent examples of vile migrant crime (to demonstrate their cultural incompatibility and moral inferiority)... Have you read about the two cases of white men who just raped British women of colour over the same time frame?

What about their cultural compatibility within our society?

It's not really about cultural compatibility in my opinion... People like to say it is... But if you look at British culture we've got a huge homegrown problem with the exact same issues.

Also, to be clear, I don't support uncontrolled migration. I totally agree with the issues raised.

Nowhere did I say we shouldn’t be addressing the ‘systematic reasons’ that lead to this.

Right at the moment though, while the CPS are more bothered about hounding women who advocate for their rights and we still have rather a large mountain to climb in addressing these ‘systematic reasons’, I’m looking at prevention at source.

Men who are not here are not hurting women here.

Many attempts to address ‘systematic reasons’ such as education etc are very long term and will be hampered by a constant influx of new men who are starting from scratch and laterally don’t even know that rape is illegal (or so they claim).

Now I think further along that line, there is a serious issue of ‘systemic reasons’ with a growing and extremely influential group who in parts (I shouldn’t have to keep saying it as it’s obvious but ‘not all Muslims’) have a major problem with women having rights. There are imams in this country right now who are calling for women to be stoned as punishment for transgressions. They ban women from ‘family’ fun runs and are still practising first cousin marriage, child and forced marriage and FGM, not to mention raping white girls. Men with these views are part of the Muslim community and are clearly influencing the government. Jess Phillips (45% Muslim constituency) trying to broaden the rape gangs inquiry into oblivion and Starmer refusing to support a bill banning first cousin marriage. Who else is beholden to them?

All bad for women, all need to be addressed. Allowing in more people from countries where these beliefs are prevalent unless we are clear that they are fleeing those beliefs is not going to help us.

Yes I did. And that's horrible. They should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. I don't know if they were arrested, don't know if they'll even be brought to court let alone face a guilty verdict. My Google search says they were arrested?

But why should we as a country choose to add more criminals into our country? I remember the damage Sweden faced in 2015-2017, they record data by per capita and it clearly shows the ethnic born swedes commit less crimes per capita.

Unfortunately I don't think that's why they said something.

It seems like they said it as a result of the presidential election, a large number of voters spoiled their vote etc.

Absolutely horrific.
And the poor girl is autistic and was in state care when it happened.
She went missing on a day out with her care workers.

Exactly. You’ve completely nailed it.