Sick of the lie 'It's just illegal immigrants people don't like.'

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This is just not true.

Reform, the flag flyers and protesters are racists. All of this 'It's just the illegals we want gone.' is a lie to excuse their racism.

Certain countries such as Muslim countries, right? They are less deserving? Because they are poorer as a result of years of exploitation and interference from Britain and the west? Because they're manical amoral freaks? Is that what you're implying? They're less than?

What are you even talking about??

But I thought everyone who isn't white is terribly oppressed.

Only on the internet can you have a debate about the blatant rise of far right politics and mood in the country and have a comment like that.

It hasn’t.

You are just getting a bit desperate 🤣

There are Muslim extremists who have said that’s their goal though.

I think we would be arrogant to ignore them.

It clearly has. 🤣

Desperate for what… stop racists being racist?

Reform are leading in the polls, so, obviously, it is all some people are concerned about. 🤷‍♀️

Countries like Iran and Afghanistan are not poorer because of us, it’s because of the men in charge dragging them backwards and removing human rights from women.

Because they're manical amoral freaks? (your words)

Do you think that countries where women are not allowed out of the house, not allowed education or medical care, gay people are thrown off talks building, child and forced marriage is legal from the age of 9 are moral or not? Are these values and practices we should accept?

I have no problem with immigrants.

The immigrant problem that I have is the government putting them in areas without the infrastructure to support them and and the locals, and then fucking over everybody there by saying that those with a problem with lack of infrastructure are racist.

But then that is partly why we are where we are.

Of course we would be. If the ‘I’m terrified of Reform’ posters went to your average Islamic country they would be catatonic at what they witnessed - far, far worse than anything Reform will do. This annoying white middle class ignorance of ‘no other countries are racist/right wing’ is utterly exasperating, they need to travel more and pick up a few history books that aren’t just about the Third Reich

I’ve no idea what you’re desperate for 🤷‍♀️. You’re not going to stop the conversation by labelling everyone a racist though.

Enjoy your evening.

It does seem to be like the government themselves are trying to create division by putting British people at the back of the queue for basics like housing, medical care etc. and making us pay more for the privilege.

Is it getting past the point of gross incompetence and verging on deliberate? Are they all shareholders of arms manufacturers or something? What is their end goal?

Your posts are full of nonsensical hyperbole. I’ve not called ‘everyone’ a racist and I’ve never said discussing immigration makes ‘everyone’ racist. Stop twisting my words, no one is ‘accusing’ you of anything and you aren’t the victim here I’m afraid.

My original post is an observation of the pattern of rhetoric I’ve seen on here recently, in terms of both racism denial and outright racism. I don’t know why this would irk you so much, unless this applies to you in some way. So kindly drop the passive aggressive retorts as it makes you look desperate.

Trying to shut down conversations about illegal immigration by calling people racist is boosting the popularity of Reform.

Grow up and understand that very many people have concerns. If the left don’t engage with this issue you’ll get the alternative. FAFO.

If you don’t want to be called a racist, don’t be one. It’s that simple.

You can keep repeating yourself until you’re blue in the face. People don’t care any more. No one’s listening to you. The word has lost any meaning due to the inability of people like you to have discussions about the issues and problems that mass immigration brings without shouting ‘racist’ at everyone.

But the insult "racist" is thrown at anyone who is concerned about the effects of a population of 70 million in a tiny island? Is that not something you deem people are allowed to worry about without them being insulted?

How can we now determine whether we are racist or not? What is your definition of goodthink?

People do care I’m afraid, you may not but plenty do. Just more meaningless hyperbole - no one is being ‘shouted at’, I am merely pointing out if people don’t want to be called racist then don’t BE racist. God knows why this is so controversial, but the fact that you and others have got so wound up about it says a lot about you.

Then why are you not also concerned with the hoarding of resources by the rich. Even were the UK to no longer accept any new immigrants into the country do you think our issues will miraculously improve? The rich have always had the ear of the government. It will then turn to black and brown people who are born here and have children. The racists will never be appeased.

Labour is committed to improve illegal immigration.

But Farage caused this problem with his lies on Brexit and he doesn’t have the solution.

But what is being a racist these days? It seems to have changed. Please clarify as you haven't given us the proper definition.

Feel free to educate yourself and read up on it.

Racists do get very offended at being called a racist.

Well I thought I did know what a racist was until I went on this thread and read your posts. And now I'm not so sure as the definition seems to have been changed by you to something but it's a definition that you won't explain. And so it's hard to educate oneself (it being your own personal mysterious definition) nless you are a published author on the topic or something? That we can read and be educated by?

I’m not sure you’re correct with that assumption re the skills shortage. I’ve been aware of a lot of UK based software engineers and tech specialists struggling to find decent employment opportunities, particularly in mid range positions.

Do you want some dressing to go with that word salad?

So you don't really have a definition of racism to tell us?

Basically what I think has happened here is that you have been chucking out thr insult "racist" willy nilly to anyone on this thread. Without any evidence to back it up. And youve been using that word for effect and because it's easy and requires no thought from you.