Sick of the lie 'It's just illegal immigrants people don't like.'

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This is just not true.

Reform, the flag flyers and protesters are racists. All of this 'It's just the illegals we want gone.' is a lie to excuse their racism.

It shouldn’t be a surprise at all that men from more misogynistic countries are more likely to be misogynistic. Why is it?

No, I think you hear me clearly but are unable to answer the question.

No one is forcing any Christians to follow Sharia Law, sharia law is not taking over our streets. No one is taking over a 1000 year old Christian establishment. No one is dismantling it, not even the muslim grocer, pharmacist or taxi driver in my town.
It goes without saying that different nations make different rules.. according to the principle religious faith or a written constitution or even a military coup ... I am not sure what your point you are trying to make? Sincerely

I promise you I don't hear you. We are sort of having the same argument but not quite. And you are obviously a little rude which detracts from whatever the argument is that you are trying to follow.

No one is saying that though. I think you've missed that point too?

As I said, that post got deleted as it was racist.

The ‘hilarious’ thing is that because I and many others know that talking about controlling our borders is not racist.

Do you condemn all countries who have border controls as ‘racist’? Or is it just Britain?

Posters on here are demonstrating their luxury beliefs while denigrating British citizens for having an opinion.

Your accusations are utterly meaningless and looking a bit desperate.

Your tone towards muslim people seems derogatory. We are not having the same argument? Apologies if you are not an Islamaphobe and wrongly inferred your sentiment.

But that has indeed happened in the vast majority of Islamic countries hasn’t it?

My post appears to have got under your skin.

I wonder why.

No, it hasn't. Saudi Arabia is the only Muslim country where no other religions are permitted.

And what of the west? Hypocrisy, much.. converting their colonies to Christainity. What of Christian Nationalism and its extremism in the US? 🧐

I don't have any judgement about any religion or anyone that choses to follow one. People can do what they like as long as they don't try and infringe on other people. I think religion is divisive and has caused a lot of misery throughout history, particularly in this country.

I am interested in this history of this country though and how and why the laws were made etc.

No one is forcing their religion on anyone as far as I can see.
There is no reason why Muslim people should not be allowed to build mosques to worship in, that's not infringement. Sharia Law can be dealt with by the state as different matter of course as no religion - not even Christianity - should overrule the law of the land. So, we do agree to some extent, but I think your fears over Islam are rather alarmist when there are far greater immediate threats.

YANBU There may be some that want to stop immigration regardless of race, but I think most only care about stopping non-white immigration. They wouldn't care if it were a white person from Australia, NZ, Sweden, Norway, Denmark for e.g

There is no such thing as 'illegal immigration'. It is not 'illegal' to seek asylum.

Or Ukraine war refugees. Palestinians fleeing genocide aren't welcome here because they're brown and want to enforce Sharia Law on our white Christian nation, apparently! 🙄🤯 (According to Reform UK)

It is not illegal to seek asylum. There is actually not such thing as an 'illegal immigrant'. No one is 'illegal'.

Sigh. This is getting boring. But there is no such thing as 'illegals'. It is not illegal to seek asylum.

Maybe in that case stop your government destabilising other countries, damaging their environment and causing untold pollution, stop dumping their rubbish in other countries, stop their companies causing such awful pollution that causes climate change and ruins the habitats and wildlife in other countries.

And stop them funding a genocide which amongst other things has destroyed the natural habitat in Gaza, ruined their cities and will cause mass migration as well as the pollution and environmental damage that will at best take decades to clear.

until then maybe be quiet about a few people managing to migrate and claim refuge because the actions of the governments you vote for f’ed up their homes and lives.

@Custardcream84 Spot on!

I haven't said I don't want mosques or anything. Freedom of worship is a great thing. I originally just chipped in to say that thr law of the UK was originally made by people who were Christians. Which is historically accurate. And now I can't even remember what the whole point of the argument was that you were having with the PP to clarify anything. But I'm certainly not anti any religion although I'm not sure sharia law is completely compatible with the legal system here as I've already said, specifically regarding legal rights and marriage where the woman can come off at a disadvantage.

I speak as a non-white woman with two mixed race children here, who grew up in very ethnically diverse parts of south London, so have some stake in the conversation… you’re comment is slightly disingenuous.

The counties you listed are all high income countries who are likely to be net contributors who share a similar culture to ours.

People from other countries (including the one of my parents is from) are less likely to integrate or contribute to the economy in the same way. Many of these countries are politically unstable and combine that with people claiming asylum- we don’t always know who is coming in.

Some people definitely are just racist, and as a mother and a human being, I hate those people.

But if you think it’s racist to not want high levels of immigration from certain countries, I’m sorry, but you’ve lost the plot.

No, you haven't said anything about mosques. You did mention 'infringement', however. And I inferred that actually Sharia Law may infact be an infringement, but it should not be outlawed purely to retain Christianity as the main faith in Britain, but because British laws and values should rule, nothing more. Some of those laws and values were once based on Christian ethics, however Christianity is no longer a basis for why those laws and values should be upheld.

Britain was once a land of Celts, Pagans, until the Romans invaded following that the conversion to Christianity a bit later on. Saxons, Jutes, Danes, Frisians migrated here and mixed in with the general populace. Then came the Normans who flattened the place.
In 1000 years, Britain will not be a white Christian nation, I can assure you. We are already living in a post Christian, secular society as it is. Change is inevitable, history proves that.

Well, if your experience of refugees/immigrants is one person then I expect you have never experienced any of the following -

Living with your parents, partner and 7 year old in a two bedroom bungalow for 5 years on the waiting list for a housing association property and seeing those that become available allocated to people who are definitiely not locals and can barely speak English.

Living in a nice suburb of London which suddenly gets populated by people from a country who can't/don't want to understand that you don't endear yourselves to those who have lived there for generations by having settees in the front gardens, drinking, shouting and general anti-social behaviour at all hours (because it is their culture). And don't understand the concept (even though they have been given the info in their own language) of rubbish collection and recycling and fill their gardens with crap attracting rats.

Your child being in a school where English is only the 6th language spoken.

Your 14 year old female child going to the corner shop on a hot day for ice creams and being refused service because they are not appropriately dressed (shorts, vest top and flip-flops) because this is now an islamic area.

Cutting the grass in your back garden. Seeing 2 females who have recently moved in next door, going over to say hello and introduce yourself, having the women run indoors and having the men of the house coming out and yelling at you that as a male you can't talk to their women.

Having all the properties in the cul de sac you have lived in for 50 years being occupied by new arrivals to the country. Being asked when you are moving time and again and can they buy your house because you surely don't want to be the 'only white woman in the street'.

Until you have experienced things like this OP, don't go calling those who are concerned about the rapid changes happening in their areas racists and bigots.

Of course all immigrants are not anti-social or behave like this but the rate of change in some areas is extremely concerning to a lot of people who find their way of life being changed without their consent.