Are all of us foreigners just going to be told to pack up and leave if Reform win?

[Onegingerhead]

I might be totally unreasonable here (or not), but please hear me out.
(Bloody) foreigner here — I’ve lived in the UK since 2001. Built my whole life here: house, husband, DC, the lot. Worked the whole time in a field that requires the highest level of qualification.
I’m getting increasingly worried about the talk of Reform winning in 2029. Some even say it could be sooner if Labour are pushed into early elections. This week (as we all heard) our beloved Reform suggested rescinding ILR or even settled status from Europeans. God knows what else they’ll come up with, I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if they went after naturalised Brits next and started revoking citizenship, just to please the voters.
I know a lot of foreign-born women — some married to born-and-bred Brits, some to other Europeans (not always from the same country), some to men from overseas. All sorts of combinations.
So what do you think lies ahead for us? Will we be politely asked to leave, or will things just get so hostile that we’re pushed out anyway? And how likely is it that people who aren’t very white, or who have an accent, will face more discrimination in work?
I’m meeting my foreign friends tonight and we’ll be talking about it. For most of us, moving now would be incredibly difficult. We’re late 30s to early 50s, and starting over in a new country isn’t exactly easy. Some of us are married to men from different countries entirely, and we don’t even speak each other’s languages well enough to get proper jobs there.

AIBU and should think we will actually be allowed to stay?
AINBU sorry but you’d better start planning your move now

What do you think his plan is for the people who dont meet the new visa requirements?

Because she relied on a system who allowed her to stay and live her life in this way.

Because she lived a life like countless other wives, British ones and not, SAHM is not a 20th century invention, they existed long before when there was hardly any childcare and the husband earned enough to support wife and children, you can basically count that most wives post WWII-1980 were SAHMs.

Why should a person be punished for something which was legal at one point?

Like plenty of other immigrants, I chose British citizenship to protect myself from changing policies. But I never would have done it if it meant renouncing my birth nationality. I would have left this country I called home for 19 years before I naturalised.

There are days where I regret staying, so far they are just popping up once in a while but since this Summer they do creep up more frequently.

I'm a pragmatist. I'm a British citizen married to someone who isn't. If he gets expelled we will all move together.
I've never felt entitled to anything in life and if asked will just leave. I've rebuilt before, will do again.

Doesn't mean the prospect of reform isn't frightening.

Those types - the MAGA fascists- always target dissenters in the end. That's who they truly have in their line of sight. Residence status is a pretext. Immigrants and minorities are the ones they do their trial runs on. Just look at the US. It's all there happening in real time. You'd have to be a particular kind of naive or sadist to want to follow that same path. UK voters won't get to say they didn't know...

It's certainly an interesting Logan's Run-style vision of sunlit uplands. Only thing I'm unclear about is whether it's all pensioners that the poster wants to get rid of, or just the foreign-born ones.

Deportation as is standard in any country where you don’t meet their visa requirements.

Have you ever been to USSR?

I thought not.

But not retroactively once you've already secured permanent residence rights. The REVOKING is the issue with NF's plans. It's basically saying that established rules won't apply anymore.

“He is not going to deport them, they will just be kindly asked to reconsider their stay”

The question is should they have had indefinite leave to remain in the first place. I agree with reforms stance. Politicians have to think what's best for the country as a whole.

Do I think 60k is a high threshold? Yes. And it shows reform means business. Reform have done the figures, they believe that they will save money by enforcing this policy, Zia Yousef explained this. They haven't pulled that number out of a hat. I don't think reform is perfect but they are a much better bet than the other options we have now. If things carry on, we will end up with a genuinely far right government. Because people are rightly so angry at the state of the country and unsustainable rate of immigration we have, especially illegal. I'd prefer reform, if they do what they say they will.

Oh, but we are supposed to be OK with much larger number British born housewives getting pension and using the NHS?
or any Brits on benefits for generations?
or for that matter any Brits earning less than 50K so being net takers ?

You understand Farage and Reform called a press conference to announce this policy?

Its not like they were taken by surprise.

They invited journalists to follow their policy announcement!

Thats why people are - quite rightly - asking questions.

That’s such bullshit 🤣

It isn't speculation. It was announced at a press conference held specifically for the purpose if announcing it. The most reasonable assumption at this point is that Nigel's policy will be the one that he has just announced it will be.

What would happen if nobody did?

It is quite amusing seeing the Reform apologists arguing all things at the same time on this thread, whilst apparently not seeing each other's posts

One lot saying "We're only concerned about illegal migration so don't pay attention to Nigel on this point, let's obscure what he said with flim-flam about the manifesto" whilst others say "We want to get rid of legal migrants who don't contribute enough so this policy is great!" Then others say "But don't use the word 'deport' because it spoils my cosy feeling of being luvverly" whilst their fellow-travellers say "Deportation is exactly what we want to do, get rid of insufficiently functional service units". Then some saying "We're luvverly so of course we don't mean grannies and people who've lived here for decades" whilst others are positively wetting themselves at the idea of chucking out exactly those people.

You repeatedly query of various PPs "is it in their manifesto?", as if your life depended on the answer, and then when I give you the answer you repeat the same question FFS. "Snippy" is the least you deserve - a simple "thanks" from you would have sufficed. 🙄
It's not "speculation". This is an actual policy that Farage has announced to great fanfare and has been published on their website. I would love to think it's just more headline-grabbing posturing by that repugnant opportunist, but who knows? If you don't realise that political parties routinely break their manifesto promises - and enact policies that were never in their manifestos - then I have a bridge to sell you.

I’m not a Reform voter apologist.

This is probably one of the stupidest replies I’ve ever seen. You’re genuinely asking why, if British people were allowed to do something in Britain, why the rest of the world shouldn’t have been entitled to come here and do the exact same thing? Are you for real?

Go on then tell me why I'm wrong 🤣 easy to dismiss it as bullshit when you know I'm right

I notice a lot of people that hate reform are people who weren't born here 🙊 says it all really

So why did you say he is not suggesting deporting them?

I applaud your honesty.

‘Them all’. He will probably deport those who don’t meet the requirements, as any country would.

Its like the stages of acceptance.
So far Reform voters have -
Suggested that the policy doesnt exist.
Suggested that the policy might exist but that it doesnt matter what politicians announce because the election is 4 years away (this is despite Farage saying that he wants to put people on notice now).
Suggested that Farage and Yusuf didn't mean what they said.
Suggested that there will be no change for EU citizens on IDL despite Farage explicitly saying he intends to renegotiate with the EU. The implication is that it doesnt matter about non EU citizens on IDL anyway.

And then finally - Yes the policy does represent Reform's intentions and that they are all in favour of throwing out women who've spent 50 years living here, abiding by our laws etc.

What a journey.

@Mjmum10 - but changing visa or ILR rules is not targeting illegal immigrants, people with visa/ILR are legal immigrants.

It's already very hard to get a visa to work here and even more if you want to bring family members. You can't access benefits, you have to pay a NHS surcharge, you are bound to the employer whose job offer brought you here, if you resign, you loose your visa unless you can find a new sponsor very fast.

The difference is people from the EU who were here before Brexit. Their rules are different for a reason hammered out in the Withdrawl Agreement.

NF/Reform is already far right, do you want black shirts again? Won't take long with them in power. They are mixing up the rules to try and tell you they are tackling immigration to stop you looking too closely that illegal immigration is far harder to sort out then chucking out the ones with legal paperwork.