Are all of us foreigners just going to be told to pack up and leave if Reform win?

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I might be totally unreasonable here (or not), but please hear me out.
(Bloody) foreigner here — I’ve lived in the UK since 2001. Built my whole life here: house, husband, DC, the lot. Worked the whole time in a field that requires the highest level of qualification.
I’m getting increasingly worried about the talk of Reform winning in 2029. Some even say it could be sooner if Labour are pushed into early elections. This week (as we all heard) our beloved Reform suggested rescinding ILR or even settled status from Europeans. God knows what else they’ll come up with, I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if they went after naturalised Brits next and started revoking citizenship, just to please the voters.
I know a lot of foreign-born women — some married to born-and-bred Brits, some to other Europeans (not always from the same country), some to men from overseas. All sorts of combinations.
So what do you think lies ahead for us? Will we be politely asked to leave, or will things just get so hostile that we’re pushed out anyway? And how likely is it that people who aren’t very white, or who have an accent, will face more discrimination in work?
I’m meeting my foreign friends tonight and we’ll be talking about it. For most of us, moving now would be incredibly difficult. We’re late 30s to early 50s, and starting over in a new country isn’t exactly easy. Some of us are married to men from different countries entirely, and we don’t even speak each other’s languages well enough to get proper jobs there.

AIBU and should think we will actually be allowed to stay?
AINBU sorry but you’d better start planning your move now

Why?

giving up their original citizenship can also have significant consequences

I sincerely hope the fuckers don't get voted in.

@applesandpinkoranges But they want to get rid of the NHS, so wouldn't care if it collapsed.

Well the welfare review would have to kick-in for a start. Too many people capable of work don’t work because they’re reliant on the state.

Yes they have. You are misinformed.

this - it is the illegals who we have issue with NOT those who contribute

Really? Then why is there so much focus on people who cross the channel in small boats when the majority of illegal migrants are visa overstayers?

Please don't leave us alone here with all those hateful cunts 😭

It’s just a way of appealing to and recruiting really thick people. If they get in the won’t stick to anything promised and will ultimately shaft the same said thick people in some shape or form.

Have you got an idea what it even entails to apply for one? Probably not. Including having to give up citizenship of your birth nation, the ever spiralling cost of naturalisation, and a previous government openly discussing removing citizenship from naturalised people. “They only take it away from terrorists” I’m not sure I trust that statement.

Really? Explain.

Can’t you have dual citizenship though?

Not all countries allow it.

Not everybody can. I can. My Dcs do. But that is not the case for all countries.

What’s the point of this latest scheme, it’s not reducing numbers

You've reposted the same thing for the second time.

You're also incorrect, I'm afraid.

Reform's position is that EU SS ILR individuals will not be deported. They did not confirm that the scope of their rights, including access to pensions, healthcare and social benefits will not be changed.

Twiglets is at pains to trivialise this. However, the point is, no sane person will stay here and pay taxes without the guarantee of social benefits later in life. And that point is not to be minimised. We shouldn't be grateful for your crumbs of not being kicked out of this country when all basic guarantees are unconfirmed - even though they are part of our current status.

Reform may well breach the Withdrawal Agreement or attempt to renegotiate it (and likely fail).

Separately, rights of those EU individuals who arrived after Brexit and currently do not hold SS ILR are entirely up in the air as Reform does not wish to grant them any permanent rights after the period of time also already agreed in the Withdrawal Agreement.

So on what basis are you claiming there is no issue? It's not factual, I'm afraid. You're hung up on one paragraph from the BBC, not understanding the detail.

Oh well. It’s not something I’m entitled to, it’s a privilege, and if the government of the day chooses to revoke it for whatever reason - that’s too bad.

@anyolddinosaur But when someone claims "This really threw me. I was very paranoid for the whole week after" then they are exaggerating for attention and encouraging other people to be fearful just because someone said something they didnt like.

You're saying that people who are the victims of attacks and assaults are exaggerating the harm done for attention..?

I'm so very sorry that anyone is being made to feel like this. I really am.

For those of you not understanding the difference, here is my own status - EU citizen, Settled Status also known as Indefinite Leave to Remain and the legal basis for it, the Withdrawal Agreement. Just so you're clear what EU SS and ILR mean in the context of EU citizens and what the legal basis is for everything I've mentioned earlier in the thread. Respectfully, people not understanding it have been spreading a fair bit of unnecessary confusion.

OP, if you are naturalised as a British Citizen and formerly an EU national, you do not need to worry (in fact, it wouldn't even matter if you weren't naturalised as a British Citizen so long as you're an EU national). Please read this: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c930xypxpqpo
Specifically the paragraph, "Reform said the changes would not apply to EU nationals whose settled status is protected under the European Union Withdrawal Agreement - and who make up the majority of benefit claimants by people with ILR."

Not all countries allow it. My mother gave up her birth passport for a British one. Ironically she’s a huge Reform supporter and campaigner (but she won’t tell anyone she wasn’t born here…)

Temporary carve out for EU nationals.

@shuggles She was not assaulted, they called out insults. When she filmed them they tried to get off the train. To claim that is an assault or an attack is an exaggeration.

I sincerely hope that Reform won't get into power. They use their policy on immigration and "small boats" to distract from the fact that they don't speak much sense about anything else that matters.
They are creating division in our society which, I am proud to say, is diverse in culture.
I don't think it will ever get to the point of them being able to deport citizens who give "enough" in their eyes. But I don't like it; I don't like the flags (I don't care what anyone says, they are being used to intimidate) and I don't like the notion of spreading hate and causing division.
If I were you, I would make all necessary arrangements to apply for citizenship and ensure that I could stay in such an eventuality, but hoping that this moment will pass.

Not yet they're not.