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Are all of us foreigners just going to be told to pack up and leave if Reform win?

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Onegingerhead · 26/09/2025 16:03

I might be totally unreasonable here (or not), but please hear me out.
(Bloody) foreigner here — I’ve lived in the UK since 2001. Built my whole life here: house, husband, DC, the lot. Worked the whole time in a field that requires the highest level of qualification.
I’m getting increasingly worried about the talk of Reform winning in 2029. Some even say it could be sooner if Labour are pushed into early elections. This week (as we all heard) our beloved Reform suggested rescinding ILR or even settled status from Europeans. God knows what else they’ll come up with, I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if they went after naturalised Brits next and started revoking citizenship, just to please the voters.
I know a lot of foreign-born women — some married to born-and-bred Brits, some to other Europeans (not always from the same country), some to men from overseas. All sorts of combinations.
So what do you think lies ahead for us? Will we be politely asked to leave, or will things just get so hostile that we’re pushed out anyway? And how likely is it that people who aren’t very white, or who have an accent, will face more discrimination in work?
I’m meeting my foreign friends tonight and we’ll be talking about it. For most of us, moving now would be incredibly difficult. We’re late 30s to early 50s, and starting over in a new country isn’t exactly easy. Some of us are married to men from different countries entirely, and we don’t even speak each other’s languages well enough to get proper jobs there.

AIBU and should think we will actually be allowed to stay?
AINBU sorry but you’d better start planning your move now

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Twiglets1 · 26/09/2025 20:24

Onegingerhead · 26/09/2025 20:11

I do, but many of the people who posted afterwards don’t.
And honestly and you do disagree here , but I don’t think Europeans with settled status are necessarily immune to whatever Reform has brewing. My advice has been the same for my friends and colleagues: apply for citizenship.
Most of them aren’t low earners and can afford it (but on below than 60K) yet that’s not the case for everyone. £2k is a lot of money for many people. If you don’t have an easy escape route , no family left abroad, or a spouse/kids who couldn’t follow then saving for the application is something that really should be taken seriously now.
Someone further up the thread mentioned Scotland. I absolutely love it, the nature, the weather and I’d move there in a heartbeat if the opportunity arose ☺️

I agree that Europeans would be vulnerable to some things under Reform, just not deportation.

But still, I have agreed with my European friend that it's just as well to apply for citizenship seeing as she can afford it. Probably not necessary but it's peace of mind anyway. Appreciate for some people it's hard or impossible to find 2k just for peace of mind.

justasking111 · 26/09/2025 20:24

Goldenbear · 26/09/2025 20:17

How can you talk about a "breakdown in morality" and dealing with children by punching them in the ear, in the same breath?

Our neighbour believes in corporal punishment. He's a very strict father. His children are never allowed to play at others houses, nor are their school friends allowed to call. The eldest was allowed out when he reached 16 to cycle into town. Now he's twenty, working has a car I suppose he has more freedom.

Perfectlystill · 26/09/2025 20:26

Of course not. Stupid post.

Upupandaway10 · 26/09/2025 20:27

Dolphinnoises · 26/09/2025 16:09

It’s hard to say. One of their MPs, Rupert Lowe, is all about the mass deportations. I think it would be too easy to convince yourself that they don’t really mean it. They do.

The most powerful thing you can do is advocate for yourself. Break through the discomfort barrier to remind people in your life that when he says immigrant, he means you and the protect of you having to leave the country. It’s like the Brexit vote, people believed that no-one they knew would be affected

He’s not Reform

He means illegal immigrants who have arrived by boat

Gingernaut · 26/09/2025 20:27

If every foreign born resident did pack up and leave, it would, quite frankly, serve the UK right

Too many of the "Too many foreigners" brigade simply have no idea about how dependent the UK is on foreign labour

Croakymccroakyvoice · 26/09/2025 20:28

Uggbootsforever · 26/09/2025 19:19

I don’t think they will ask ‘legal foreigners’ to pack up and leave as such but the tolerance for them staying will be very very low - any sort of crime and I think they’ll deport, or revoke visas and such. Anyone living in the UK will have to be squeaky clean, employed and in need of little from the state.

Perhaps try looking at what Nigel has actually said he wants to do instead of assuming he will do what you think is reasonable.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/reform-uk-ilr-immigration-policy-nigel-farage-b2831087.html

How Farage’s plan for legal migration could put thousands at risk of deportation

Farage says the plan would save over £200bn – but the figures have been called into question

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/reform-uk-ilr-immigration-policy-nigel-farage-b2831087.html

CallMeEvelyn · 26/09/2025 20:30

IAmThePrettiestManOnMyIsland · 26/09/2025 20:18

No, but the government does... that's what this whole thread is about after all.

Your government cannot make unlawful decisions and act retroactively in removing rights of individuals. This goes against the Rule of Law you're so (rightly) proud of here.

So do the right thing and don't vote for politicians who support the opposite.

Do not destroy rights and lives of people just like you, doing the right thing for this country.

This is what this thread is about.

Upupandaway10 · 26/09/2025 20:31

BlueandPinkSwan · 26/09/2025 16:32

Peeps like you OP are welcome here, working, paying your taxes, contributing to society and hopefully intergrating.
It's the illegals that are the problem and many people object to not people like yourselves.

Yes totally agree and most people feel this way

DIYagainstMould · 26/09/2025 20:31

Do EU settled ones remember that we used to have ILR on these plasticky cards - permits....now that has been raised to a permanent status for life due to a legal withdrawal agreement with the EU and the then British government. It is irreversible

Holycowhowmuch · 26/09/2025 20:32

I dont think reform will do much clamping down on 68,000 in private housing with no bills for 5 years and thr 35,000 in hotels is what people want action on. The lack of control on government spending on all this needs to be dealt with.

Huntrix · 26/09/2025 20:33

FFS do I need to get the citizenship now then? I've been here 18 years so my entire adult life, studied, worked, got married, had DC. I've integrated seamlessly, and don't even have an accent (apart from a slight West Country twang lol). I was worried about the Brexit vote but was relatively content with the settled status, but now I have to worry about these sorts of things again. ☹️ I'm about to get divorced so there's already a lot going on, and I could think of better ways to spend £2k but I'm seriously considering getting naturalised now. The irony is that I don't even want to be here anymore but have to stay because of my DC so I would very begrudgingly become British, but I can't afford to have the uncertainty and the hassle of always having the cloud of potential deportation/stripping of my rights over me.

Looks like it's time to start memorising dates and kings...

EraOfTheGrey · 26/09/2025 20:34

Onegingerhead · 26/09/2025 16:03

I might be totally unreasonable here (or not), but please hear me out.
(Bloody) foreigner here — I’ve lived in the UK since 2001. Built my whole life here: house, husband, DC, the lot. Worked the whole time in a field that requires the highest level of qualification.
I’m getting increasingly worried about the talk of Reform winning in 2029. Some even say it could be sooner if Labour are pushed into early elections. This week (as we all heard) our beloved Reform suggested rescinding ILR or even settled status from Europeans. God knows what else they’ll come up with, I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if they went after naturalised Brits next and started revoking citizenship, just to please the voters.
I know a lot of foreign-born women — some married to born-and-bred Brits, some to other Europeans (not always from the same country), some to men from overseas. All sorts of combinations.
So what do you think lies ahead for us? Will we be politely asked to leave, or will things just get so hostile that we’re pushed out anyway? And how likely is it that people who aren’t very white, or who have an accent, will face more discrimination in work?
I’m meeting my foreign friends tonight and we’ll be talking about it. For most of us, moving now would be incredibly difficult. We’re late 30s to early 50s, and starting over in a new country isn’t exactly easy. Some of us are married to men from different countries entirely, and we don’t even speak each other’s languages well enough to get proper jobs there.

AIBU and should think we will actually be allowed to stay?
AINBU sorry but you’d better start planning your move now

If Reform UK win then I'm leaving. I will not vote for a racist.

DIYagainstMould · 26/09/2025 20:34

Also my predictions for next GE - we will have Conservatives coming back and some Lib Dem. Farage as some what his name means in a certain language will be thrown out with the farasha

CallMeEvelyn · 26/09/2025 20:34

Twiglets1 · 26/09/2025 20:24

I agree that Europeans would be vulnerable to some things under Reform, just not deportation.

But still, I have agreed with my European friend that it's just as well to apply for citizenship seeing as she can afford it. Probably not necessary but it's peace of mind anyway. Appreciate for some people it's hard or impossible to find 2k just for peace of mind.

How many times...

We will not be paying £2k for retaining lawful rights we already have or for the questionable privilege of voting for your politicians. Farage has to stop forcing this on us by threatening us. Threatening us is unacceptable and all of us, including Brits, should stand against it. Stop minimising and trivialising this issue which you clearly do not understand.

Croakymccroakyvoice · 26/09/2025 20:34

IAmThePrettiestManOnMyIsland · 26/09/2025 19:26

Someone like you is not at risk of deportation because you meet the criteria to stay on multiple fronts.

Unless her income drops below £60k, for example when she retires, then she wouldn't be eligible for the new proposed visa anymore and would be at risk.

Wowwee1234 · 26/09/2025 20:34

BlueandPinkSwan · 26/09/2025 16:32

Peeps like you OP are welcome here, working, paying your taxes, contributing to society and hopefully intergrating.
It's the illegals that are the problem and many people object to not people like yourselves.

Except she is not.

My mum is dutch, lovely person, but has been told by people she shouldn't be here. In her 70's and a former teacher. The rabid anti-anything-immigrantlike agenda many people have held for decades is in full show and it is nasty and scary.

But you will no doubt be out there protesting and standing up for OPs and my mums rights when the time comes, won't you?

Kakeandkake · 26/09/2025 20:35

CallMeEvelyn · 26/09/2025 20:34

How many times...

We will not be paying £2k for retaining lawful rights we already have or for the questionable privilege of voting for your politicians. Farage has to stop forcing this on us by threatening us. Threatening us is unacceptable and all of us, including Brits, should stand against it. Stop minimising and trivialising this issue which you clearly do not understand.

I couldn't agree more. The minimisation on this thread is quite something.

Onegingerhead · 26/09/2025 20:37

CallMeEvelyn · 26/09/2025 20:13

Just because you are trying to minimise the issues and tell us our rights won't be affected really doesn't make what you say right because Reform's proposals say otherwise.

If we do not stand for our rights, nobody will - certainly not the British people, sadly.

Edited

To be fair, I don’t expect British citizens to stand up for us. I wouldn’t want them to feel guilty or uneasy about Reform’s rhetoric either. There have been many lovely replies on this thread, and I’m grateful that most people haven’t fallen for anti-immigrant propaganda.
I’m just trying to protect myself, my family, and my friends from what I see coming. I can’t control everything, but I’ll do my best

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CallMeEvelyn · 26/09/2025 20:38

DIYagainstMould · 26/09/2025 20:31

Do EU settled ones remember that we used to have ILR on these plasticky cards - permits....now that has been raised to a permanent status for life due to a legal withdrawal agreement with the EU and the then British government. It is irreversible

It should be irreversible. However, what makes you believe Reform will adhere to international law and British Rule of Law if their own policies say otherwise?

Goldenbear · 26/09/2025 20:38

Londonisthebestcityintheworld · 26/09/2025 20:23

All of this. Yes yes yes. Many net contributors left after Brexit and more will go again if Reform wins an election. Then all the British folk who've had the benefits of everything this country has to offer and still done nought with themselves will see what us immigrants have really brought to their country.

Recent news has been dire - more people are now claiming benefits rather than putting in. And that nearly 80% of those claimant's are citizens who identify as "white". The absolute absurdity of it all. Self destructive. Racist.

Well the people on benefits aren't going to on them for a very long time if Reform get in as one of their manifesto pledges was there 2 strike rule;

"All job seekers and those fit to work must find

employment within 4 months or accept a job after
2 offers. Otherwise, benefits are withdrawn".

More people on benefits is not shocking as 14 years of austerity has pushed many people into Dickensian levels of poverty, that has impacted the physical and mental health of the nation leaving them unable to work. It was short termism with irreparable damage to the economy and society.

DIYagainstMould · 26/09/2025 20:38

CallMeEvelyn · 26/09/2025 20:34

How many times...

We will not be paying £2k for retaining lawful rights we already have or for the questionable privilege of voting for your politicians. Farage has to stop forcing this on us by threatening us. Threatening us is unacceptable and all of us, including Brits, should stand against it. Stop minimising and trivialising this issue which you clearly do not understand.

😂Evelyn, right
I am dealing here with mould and have 3 completely furnished empty proprerties back home....I don't need to pay to stay here, because I already pay....NI and tax and have given them a British child

LiterallyMelting · 26/09/2025 20:38

I have got my British citizenship. I'm married to a white British. I'm worried. In the US ICE is locking up people who look or sound foreign. I think YANBU at all.

MookieCat · 26/09/2025 20:39

Man. I miss the olden days of yore on MN when friday nights meant drunk threads with loads of sex talk.

(See... that's how integrated I am in the UK after 20 years. Wonder if that will come up on the bloody life in the UK questionnaire. Thing that amazed me about that stupid thing was it was all about the national flowers and random sports questions. Not questions that mattered like how democracy works. Maybe that was the harbinger.... )

newusernamex1000 · 26/09/2025 20:40

I don’t think they’ll have mass deportations, but I do support criminals being deported. That includes those granted citizenship, break the law and it should be cancelled and you must be deported.

Goldenbear · 26/09/2025 20:40

CallMeEvelyn · 26/09/2025 20:34

How many times...

We will not be paying £2k for retaining lawful rights we already have or for the questionable privilege of voting for your politicians. Farage has to stop forcing this on us by threatening us. Threatening us is unacceptable and all of us, including Brits, should stand against it. Stop minimising and trivialising this issue which you clearly do not understand.

I agree with you on the £2 grand thing but not all politicians act without integrity and actually society thinking that politicians aren't the people that they are Entertainers is actually why we are in this shit to begin with!

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