ID cards to be introduced. What do you feel. ?

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I have worked in serious organised crime for two decades. This is one of the best bits of news I have read in a long while. I have also been involved in ‘small boat’ arrivals. The reason people will by pass several safe EU countries to get to the UK is ‘I can get lost if I don’t get asylum’ ‘UK has no ID cards’ . It’s a no brainer .. why why has it taken so long. ? If you want to have the services your country has to offer - through most of the world - from healthcare to the library- you need to show you are a bona-fida citizen. However , for some unfathomable reason , the flag waving right wingers are always the one to oppose ..is it because they are scared it will work and leave their thinly veiled racism floundering ?

Yes to ID cards = YANBU
No to ID cards = YABU

@Booksaresick I was ready to get defensive and agree with @Abitofalark , then I remembered all the online discourse I have had with many Americans over firearms 🦅, healthcare, capital punishment and even their tipping culture.
They stand alone in these issues compared to most Western countries (and lots of them are aware of this) but for so many, it's so entrenched in their culture and they don't care what other most countries do or think .

I truly believe we along with the US really do believe in our own exceptionalism.

It's the latest rabbit out of a hat, like the mantra 'Smash the Gangs'. Whatever happened to that? Oh, that was last week's great hope or was it the week before? Must change the tune frequently or people might start to notice nothing has been done. Well, apart from deporting - was it three or four people? - to France.

What a crap idea! Labour pilloried the Tories for the useless Track and Trace app during COVID and this is just as stupid an idea - except that it serves as a great diversionary tactic to steer attention away from Starmer's failings. When will politicians learn that government and computer systems just never works.

Computer says no

We live in a society where more and more people are being criminalised for 'thought-crime' that does not agree with the extremist left. Extremist left-wing councils can write false fictional records about normal people, without accountability, to protect and hide the crimes of their workers or those with connections to the council. All of this dissent and false record can be put on your id.

Europe have been talking about a department to control the flow of news, to ensure only approved news by the European State is heard. So dissent and exposure of crimes by government will affect your digital id and may put restrictions on you.

There has been talk about a social credit scheme similar to China. The WEF have openly discussed this in their annual meetings and none of that is being reported on the news. It is all related to digital id. A social credit scheme is a system of fear, State control and subservience to government.

The WEF have suggested they want your vaccination status to be put on your id at some point, again not reported on the news. Will that bar you from work, medical care, or other essentials?

Every vaccine involves danger and some vaccines over the years have clear statistical more deaths caused by the vaccines than the thing they are meant to protect against. Will this id be used to mandate vaccination as the WEF have suggested? That would be another crime against the individual by the State.

Canada allegedly froze bank accounts of the Truckers and those that supported them. Donating to Truckers, or even supporting Truckers on Youtube allegedly caused you significant problems. This can be put on your digital id.

The government is meant to do what we say, they are our servants, not masters. This Id is more power and control over your every day life.

Remember, Starmer has no mandate from the public. He only received 20% of the available vote in the General Election. 80% of the voting population did not vote for him. That was hidden from the public on the news and continues to be hidden as his government becomes more totalitarian.

The id will not stop immigration. All that will happen is, immigration will increase and then all these immigrants will become British subjects and freely given these digital ids anyway.

This id has to be stopped.

Note: Various news BBC/ITV are using different words. Which is the correct one? A mandate is not compulsory, the individual can refuse. 'Mandate' is a word governments use to make the average person believe something is compulsory. There are significant differences in a law saying something is 'compulsory' or saying something is 'mandated'. A compulsory law would be harder to get into law due to the removal of the individual's right to refuse.

Wow…. Step away from conspiracy theories…. It’s not healthy!

I consider digital ID pointless and vulnerable to hacking and potentially dangerous in the future. but your comments are full tin foil hat!

It's not even that. It's the EU as an institution, the unwieldy bureaucracy and dreaded Commission, not Europe the place, the countries, the people. It never occurred to me to think of myself as European, even though we'd been in the EU since whenever and we are of course in Europe. It was a total surprise to me that some British people do think of themselves as European citizens. I have mixed feelings about the Convention, which isn't a creature of the EU but a much wider predecessor European institution, Another story.

migrants do have ID cards. Well, up until dec2024 they all do. It’s all digital now, instead of physical card.

Some of the noisiest people on this thread are not even in the UK but from other countries, which they coyly omit to name, while giving it large about the UK.

Here's a report of the Parliamentary Public Accounts Committee making recommendations to the government on how to improve its competence in spending at least £14bn annually on IT companies.

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm5901/cmselect/cmpubacc/640/report.html

They probably could have written the same thing twenty or thirty years ago. Maybe they did!

I agree with them. That means I must be a lefty. Cor, look at me.

In which case, compulsory digital ID systems are a pretty odd hook to hang this on, because they're not actually the global or even Western norm at all. It's not being exceptionalist to not have that, and if it was we'd have a lot of company. Including our nearest neighbour!

This guy on X covers my concerns nicely.

This digital ID scheme is being touted as to prove we are entitled to work here. As it is digital, no one would need a phone or an app for that.

Employers could interrogate the database when they register a new staff member. Would be cheaper, easier, and less of the burden placed on the public, if each employer has access to a machine that does biometric proof.

Why the heck should we have to carry around something to prove we are entitled to work here... when all that proof is DIGITAL... I.e. accessible from anywhere.

Or is it not just to prove we are entitled to work here?

Funnily enough they manage perfectly ok with this in other countries that already have these. Nobody is asking anyone for ‘papers’ constantly. Justin situations where you need to prove identity/address or if you get stopped for speeding or the likes. Hopefully there would be an alternative to having it on a smart phone for those who don’t have one. Those people would probably be used to carrying cards so it wouldn’t just go with the others

I’m not sure either way.
Can see both the positives and negatives.

The UK is broke. How are they proposing to pay for this. The magic money tree? Or just increase people’s taxes even more.

This wasn’t in their election manifesto. I bet they had it planned all along. We’ve been duped.

The petition against this, has now reached over 1.6 million signatures. I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s reached 2 million + by the end of the weekend.

Yes yes. Glad they are implementing.

Many deliveroo, uber guys come here on touris/visaitor visa and work illegally , such people will find it difficult and end up whining

(Tongue in cheek) They can pay for it by kickstarting the economy.

Everyone will need a smartphone. And a data contract. And make sure it has a decent battery, not an old secondhand thing that lasts 30 min before a recharge. And download an app. They can sell advertising space on the app. Maybe it can have a little backing tune that music acts can pay for... change it every month. Have a loyalty scheme in conjunction with a major supermarket. Every time you use it you get a voucher... more advertising... but rewarding.

But I guess it will just be taxation or cuts that "pay" for the scheme in the end.

No they won’t. They’ll do as they usually do and take illegal jobs.

I see that you wrote that you ‘work in small boat arrrivals’, OP.

Lucrative is it?

I guess with so many of you hand-ringing liberals making money out of this crisis, this invasion/gravy train will never end.

And stop pretending that ID cards are about reducing immigration. You know perfectly well they aren’t.

Exactly what I thought. Then I thought, who's going to be making money out of this?

Yers i agree with you. But still its a deterent, it might not work 100% but atleast it works in some ways !
Many refurbishment labour workers already feeling peeved , so atleast it has its effect !

I agree

They’ll be fine. People know what’s illegal now and still do it. They still will.