ID cards to be introduced. What do you feel. ?

[Fishingboatbobbingnight]

I have worked in serious organised crime for two decades. This is one of the best bits of news I have read in a long while. I have also been involved in ‘small boat’ arrivals. The reason people will by pass several safe EU countries to get to the UK is ‘I can get lost if I don’t get asylum’ ‘UK has no ID cards’ . It’s a no brainer .. why why has it taken so long. ? If you want to have the services your country has to offer - through most of the world - from healthcare to the library- you need to show you are a bona-fida citizen. However , for some unfathomable reason , the flag waving right wingers are always the one to oppose ..is it because they are scared it will work and leave their thinly veiled racism floundering ?

Yes to ID cards = YANBU
No to ID cards = YABU

I really don't see the point in them. They say it's too stop illegal migrants from working but it won't stop them. These people have broken the law and yet they get a roof over their head, food, phones and clothing. It will be the same if we have id cards, those without them will still get treatment at hospitals etc because they will turn to the human rights act again and again. Id cards are a pointless waste of money. i also don't believe they are for our benefit as this government have done nothing to benefit us and there will definitely be an ulterior motive for them! I am not a conspiracy theorist , but Starmer has done nothing but stab us all in the back and tell lies and this will definitely be another lie as to how this will benefit us!

I am also pro ID cards , though I do wonder whether those who just quickly view them will see / access much information.
currently my disabled adult daughter carries a Citizen Card and an Access Pass.
Both of these needed to see some identifying sensitive information before the card application was processed so it means she doesn’t have to continually prove her disability and her access needs , she just shows the cards which prove age and disability

And link it to things like your online profile and browsing habits (which they will, at some point), travel booking, your medical records, your financials via HMRC, your criminal record, if you have one, your voting records once they introduce voting machines like the States, etc etc.

Why, exactly, would anyone want the UK State to have that much oversight, and potential control, of their lives? In what way has ANY Government, (since Cromwell and Co forced the primacy of Parliament on the nation), proved they deserve anything close to that level of faith in them?

Forget 1984 - Orwell wasn’t cynical enough. Try the current Chinese regime for a taste of the possible abuses that digital IDs / citizen profiles allow.

I also had to produce my P60 and my last three months of pay slips when I started my job!

I can’t believe that I had forgotten to add them in the list!

I am really pleased.

Petition is already at £1.3 million signatures, and rising fast. Oh dear, it’s really not going to help Labour’s approval ratings is it 😂

Sounds good to me. Cheaper than passports and gives everyone a valid ID.
Im bemused by why so many people are worried. It’s been standard in most European countries for decades.

Just now, I’d say I’m against the digital ID cards, but have questions.

How will it stop the small boat arrivals?
How will it stop black market working or rentals by slumlords?
Will my personal info be completely safe from hacking? And will my data be sold by the government to make more money for them?
How can we ensure there is no ‘mission creep?’ We know that these things always spread far outside their original parameters; Asylum itself, for example. Assisted dying will end up going the same way if it is brought in. HMRC can raid bank accounts. I don’t want to have every trip outside of my house monitored, for instance.

I just believe it will turn into big brother state surveillance of us all. But I’m open to being convinced otherwise.

How do you know they are cheaper than passports? We haven't heard about costs. These cards won't replace passports.

I have a fairly niche job that means I spend most of my life checking right to work.

Before bringing in pointless digital ID cards, fix the damn system.

I can check passport
I can take a combination of documents eg birth cert and NI evidence.

Evisas are a bloody nightmare.

The whole system relies on someone somewhere cross checking NI numbers with employer records, or on employers being honest.

Digital ID won't solve this.

@PaterPoweryep

Just been reading about Palantir who do this spy work. Won't be cheap and they have been caught out in various legal issues eg employing staff.

Well, it will be needed if you want to work. I know our present National Insurance cards don't have our photo on but perhaps we could have our photo on. Not everyone has a smartphone.

Also, it discriminates against people by requiring them to have an ID card because they are working. If working people have them, so should people on benefits.

What difference will it really make?

Exactly

@Fishingboatbobbingnight it might be ok at the present time. Unfortunately, we don't know what kind of future government will be in power. It wouldn't take much for an authoritarian government to abuse such a system. This reason makes it a no from me.

Most other countries have id cards and require carrying id. Its crazy we dont already

This ^ says it all in one post.

Bad move.

Yes!! Best bit of news I've heard. Most of us carry driving licences etc anyway. If you've got nothing to hide then why not.

As ex armed forces I have zero issue with carrying an ID card. I don't however want a digi one. I also lived in Spain for 20 years and carrying your ID was mandatory. If you've got nothing to hide it is a no brainer.

I don't carry a driving license and we are entitled to privacy.

Hell no, we have a right to a private life

Where I'm from, we've had ID cards for a long time. They're easy to fake, we haven't been great with keeping track of our refugees and have a porous border, although some positive changes are occurring now. Oh, we also have illegal working, too. I spent a lot of time in France, a country who've also had ID cards for a long time and they're not doing such a great job of controlling their borders either.

I also work in Tech and have a background in data security. No way in hell will I have the necessary confidence in this scheme to have a government app on my device.

I'm certainly not a flag-waving right wing lunatic, either. Neither are the Liberal Democrat party, who for decades have opposed this policy.