Trump on autism

[BeHappySloth]

Sorry if there is another thread - I did look.

I mean, wtf??!!

It’s nice you’re not like that but you’ve made some judgments yourself about me there, that’s just human nature though. Let me explain why I’m asking though, just in case that’s a little different to what you’d assumed.

I was actually wondering whether your concerns for possible undocumented longer term side effects (if I’m understanding correctly) are more concerning for you than the risk of getting the diseases? And if so, is that because the perceived risk at this point is low? And would that change should those diseases become more prevalent?

You don’t judge anyone quietly? Be honest now.

I think gathering more information on side effects is ethical and helpful to people. Being truthful about side effects of vaccines shouldn't avoided. What about making safer vaccines - if it turns out they are causing issues? If the only side effects turn out to be headache, fever and a sore arm, I'm sure nobody will stop vaccinating! The uptake is very high right now and will continue to stay that way. If it turns out (as some parents are reporting) that there are serious issues arising from shots in individuals, then they may modernise the ingredients and make them safer. That is ethical. The narrative has been that anyone who wants safer vaccines, or brings up testing etc is a bad person and wants children dying from disease. It's a very effective way to stop people discussing it, and ending up with a potentially safer product.

That is not the narrative at all. You can discuss it all you like. And you are doing exactly that.

And you’ve been told on here that all side effects from vaccines are recorded and reported. It’s an ever ongoing process.

Sorry, you haven’t answered my questions at all. And what does ‘more modern’ ingredients mean?

I think you can understand what I'm saying with regards to safer vaccines - if they are needed. I think that would be a good thing but if you prefer to stick with what we have now, that's ok too. I've got not judgement, I'm just looking forward to more information.

No that is not the narrative. The facts are that all advanced govts have dedicated agencies which analyse results and set standards to ensure the very best scientific advice is used to formulate the vaccines and their scheduling. This is complex and detailed work and no the results don't make it to the nightly news at six. Often they don't even make it to peer-reviewed journals. Certainly if the results are that XYZ is safe/works and has no side effects then it won't be waved about with confetti and blaring music.

You can discuss all you like and you can report any apparent side effects but the schedule won't be changed unless you provide evidence. This is what anti-vaxxers want - to just have their weird and wild anecdotes accepted without review.

The narrative has been that anyone who wants safer vaccines, or brings up testing etc is a bad person and wants children dying from disease. It's a very effective way to stop people discussing it, and ending up with a potentially safer product.

Here is some background reading for you. This is from Australia. Every product used in Australia has to undergo full analysis here. It's not enough to just say Oh well it's approved in the UK, and expect to be waved through.
https://www.tga.gov.au/how-we-regulate/supply-therapeutic-good/product-regulation-according-risk
I am not familiar with the TGA so can't really comment further.

I am a bit more familiar with Australia's Pesticides and Veterinary Medicines Authority (APVMA) which is much the same thing and process but for ag and vet chemicals. You can see they have searchable public databases. They also provide more details (I think) on their webpage than does the TGA as to how and why they do what they do. So you might find it more useful in terms of processes. https://www.apvma.gov.au/about/agvet-chemical-regulation

In short both therapeutic and agvet chemicals are carefully reviewed and undergo ongoing monitoring. If there is a problem it is easy to report and it will be assessed and investigated further. Both use a risk assessment and risk management framework. https://www.apvma.gov.au/about/agvet-chemical-regulation/product-regulation-according-risk

I expect other advanced countries do the same sort of thing.

And these are the RARE side effects that have been identified.
https://www.health.gov.au/topics/immunisation/getting-vaccinated/possible-side-effects-of-vaccination#rare-side-effects-of-immunisation

Generally a vaccine is considered safe and beneficial if the side effects of the vaccine are less than the effects of getting the disease.

I’m not a scientist, and it’s not a Victoria Sponge recipe.

My questions, should you genuinely want to engage were:

• Whether your concerns for possible undocumented longer term side effects (if I’m understanding correctly) are more concerning for you than the risk of getting the diseases?

• And if so, is that because the perceived risk at this point is low?

• And would that change should those diseases become more prevalent?

Perfect, Thank you for clearing that up for me and I am now fully informed and have completely changed my mind that vaccines need further testing. Thank you!

Oh never mind further testing!!!
They are constantly monitored and any issues fully investigated.

I'm sure the system works perfectly

Better than the alternatives of either not constantly monitoring or not having vaccines.

'....due to the huge increase in all cause mortality in the countries during using the mrna covid vaccine.'
(fixed it for you)

Why do you keep repeating the same shallow points with no depth to your argument?

People are genuinely trying to engage with you, but rather than responding you just keep parroting the same things. You have been told that vaccine side effects are continually tested and reported on, yet you still post the MAGA/Trump bollocks about narrative.

If you want to persuade intelligent people to your point of view, you need more than the same few phrases and links to dodgy websites and books by doctors that have been struck off.

Thank you for continually posting though so people get to see this rubbish for what it is.

You must be thinking of someone else because I, so far in this thread, have not posted any links or recommended any books. Best copy this for the intended victim.

@MySweetMaggie

rest assured there is a whole team devoted to collecting and analysing data on vaccine side effects

Indeed, you have not.