Trump on autism

[BeHappySloth]

Sorry if there is another thread - I did look.

I mean, wtf??!!

Ah, a book written by an MD who has been struck off in multiple US states according to one of those states (the Washington Medical Commission) ‘due to unprofessional conduct; making false or misleading statements regarding the efficacy of treatments; and repeated gross negligence in the practice of medicine.’

Yeah, I’ll park any data that book provides in the bullshit bin.

That’s exactly the argument big pharma want you to believe, dismissing a doctor who lost his career to get the truth out as mad and you haven’t even read the book. What does he have to gain? What does big pharma have to lose? You should at least allow yourself to question it without getting defensive.

You haven't named the doctor.

I know one i looked into lost their career for theft/ embezzlement and now makes a roaring trade out of the gullable.

Oh go and do one. I have access to actual research on research webs as an academic - and have looked at properly evidenced research that has been peer reviewed and followed strict research protocols, such as the studies that involved 2.5m children showed NO link to vaccines.

I’d prefer to follow the ethically and professionally undertaken research rather than the ramblings of a disqualified doctor trying to earn a buck through publishing misinformation. Because that’s what he wants gullible fools to do.

Ps a good place to start is by reading the work of one of UK’s leading experts on autism (who doesn’t feel it needs to be ‘cured’). Decades of specific autism related research listed in his research bibliography.

www.autismresearchcentre.com/people/simon-baron-cohen/

Here here. I’ve had quite enough of these conspiracy theories being parroted.

You are really going to post links to an organisation started/founded by the Kennedy idiot? 🤣

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/childrens-health-defense/

I don't think you read the last part of my last post. Nobody is suggesting people don't vaccinate their children. The point is to find out the side effects, if any, of the childhood vaccine schedule, as it has never been looked at.

I keep repeating myself because I'm literally saying I'm all for testing and finding out the resulting information about the childhood vaccine schedule. That's what I've been saying all along and I don't see how's controversial. I admire RFK Jr too and think he's brave for challenging the power of the pharmaceutical giants, who may be endangering out children's health - they may not be also, but further investigation may give a clearer picture.

I do agree MRNA technology needs looking into, due to the huge increase in all cause mortality in the countries using the mrna covid vaccine.

Sorry, are you genuinely saying you think that vaccines have never been tested for side effects? Aside from that, we know there are side effects. There are side effects to every drug, read the PILs included. The NHS website also lists them.

Most are minor but some of them can be serious or even fatal. But overall, the benefits of vaccines have been deemed worth it compared to, for example, being paralysed or dead from polio. Brain damaged or dead from measles etc. I don’t think it’s suggested there aren’t side effects from them?

Every vaccination has to go through extensive clinical trials before being released. Manufacturers have to report serious side effects by law. There’s the Yellow Card scheme that patients and healthcare providers can report side effects too. I could go on.

Anything that gives parents more information is a good thing. At the moment, most just follow the schedule, including Hep B on day one, and have no idea of potential side effects. Your argument for just leaving things the way they are doesn't sit right with me. I see your point, but I just don't agree. Let's wait for the information to come out of HHS in the US and see.

Of course contraindications and side effects are looked at.

What do you think clinical trials are for?

What are the proven side effects from the childhood vaccine schedule?

https://www.nhs.uk/vaccinations/6-in-1-vaccine/

Oh, and the fact that vaccinated children are not dying unnecessarily or being paralysed from the diseases they are now vaccinated against.

So the only side effects from any vaccine are sore arm, high temperature, tummy upset and mood changes? Those are the only side effects that can ever come from a vaccine? It would be good if that were true but we don't really know.

I wonder how long the studies monitored after the shot. I wonder if some side effects take longer than a few days to emerge. All these things would be great to find out and contribute to long term safety data. The schedule has also gone from a small number of shots in 1986, then, when the manufacturers could no longer be sued for injury, the schedule has swelled to what it is today. That whole combination of shots has never been tested together.

Well, we can definitely agree to disagree, but I’m certainly not waiting before finishing my children’s vaccinations. I cannot imagine the guilt if they got those illnesses or passed them on to those more vulnerable while I awaited undefined, nebulous information from the US government. If you think that ‘big pharma’ doesn’t care about you then…. Perhaps that’s the difference.

‘Let’s wait…’ let’s wait in what sense? What are we waiting for? When the waiting stops, what will we do?

No, there will be serious adverse events. We, of course, know that? But statistically, they are so much lower than those due to the illnesses they prevent. Bearing in mind that people can be fatally allergic (for example) to anything, it would be strange to not expect pharmaceuticals to have side effects. I’m not sure why anyone would think that was being denied?

Of course you should continue to vaccinate your children as you see fit! Nobody is saying that you shouldn't. I think there are gaps in information is all and I think some further info would be good.

Okay. Best of luck to everybody then!

I think in the past, the people that chose not to vaccinate, for reasons other than truly being unable to, they were somewhat safe because of all other people that did get vaccinated - herd immunity. That’s going to change pretty quickly. It’s those people (who are truly unable to be vaccinated) I feel really sorry for, and babies too young to be vaccinated - should these diseases pick back up again then those parents are going to be terrified.

Worse than that - if the number of people getting vaccinated drops to below 95% (I think that is the optimum figure) then the diseases mutate with each new infection and those who ARE vaccinated cease to have protection because the variation is not mitigated by the vaccinations we’ve had. Ie, we ALL become vulnerable. The elderly, the immunocompromised, the young… everyone. And people will start - once again - to die or be paralysed by diseases we have managed to protect the vast majority of the population against. All these conspiracy theorists need to talk to elders in their communities to remember what it was like in their communities when this happened.