Trump on autism

[BeHappySloth]

Sorry if there is another thread - I did look.

I mean, wtf??!!

Yes. It’s terrifying and I think partly borne from people’s naïveté of what those diseases were really like. I think when you add that to social media brainwashing and people’s lack of concern for anyone but themselves we’re in huge trouble here. I also think lack of education plays a part, people are easily duped. This is all at a time when scientists / research are being defunded as well. I do wonder who these people will think is coming to save them when the reality starts to become evident.

I wonder what Salk would think of the comments like those here today.

www.who.int/news-room/spotlight/history-of-vaccination/history-of-polio-vaccination

Sorry, are you asking us to link to each vaccine and the known side effects? I mean we could… but this information is very easily accessed?

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Indeed. I sat with my DH’s grandmother before she died and she talked about a cousin crippled by polio (and died young as a result), referenced the children impacted by rubella (by contracting it and becoming deaf, or the birth defects and miscarriages when mothers contracted it). She felt it was a marvel that we could vaccinate and protect her beloved great grandchildren…

The common side effects (see previous link) that 99% of babies experience were easily mitigated by a bit of calpol. Sadly 5ml of calpol might not safe a life if they contract these illnesses.

Yes, there’s one huge longterm effect of the vaccines on the childhood schedule - that the vast majority of children don’t suffer lifelong effects or die horribly from the diseases themselves.

Yes the main side effects is surviving childhood…

The other poster said all the side effects are known and are just those I listed above. I'm saying the combination of shots on the childhood schedule have never been tested. There may be side effects that show up weeks or months after the shots. As the manufacturers cannot be sued for any injury (since 1986) they haven't bothered. It will be good if someone does that.

Oh, this. I had similar discussions with my gran and the word ‘marvel’ describes it so well. To live without the fear of those diseases. I think polio was such a visible disease too. I do wonder whether the people avoiding vaccinations now might be those pushing their way to the front of the line should we need new vaccines, and god help us getting those given all that we’ve discussed.

No. We never know all side effects absolutely. What we do know for sure is that a number of horrific diseases were virtually eradicated as a result of these vaccinations and they’re on their way back.

It took decades of scientists working together globally for this to happen. We risk decades again of the horror of these diseases coming back. I don’t know how I would explain to a child permanently disabled with polio that people decided they didn’t trust scientists anymore incase there were unknown long term effects.

Do you think you would be more interested in hearing this information from an epidemiologist rather than randoms on the Internet?

I’m old - old enough to remember going to school with children just a few year older than I who wore calipers on their legs. I remember the images of rooms full of rows of children, and adults too, each lying in their own iron lungs. That was their life. The polio vaccine was like a miracle. I am so grateful that I, my children and my grandchildren, are able to access vaccinations.

I cant bear that people are so determined to send us back to the dark ages. Because without vaccines we’ll return the early death rates - shortened average life spans.

I dread when we fall below the 95% vaccinated herd immunity.

She wants us to waste our time and thus energy on a wild goose chase. I'm sure the work has been done and the results published but I don't have time to go and get it all.
She knows nothing about how drugs are tested or analysed or assessed for release.

You said you wanted a placebo-only study. How will you determine the effects of the placebo-only study? Surely the only way to do that is to 'vaccinate' with only the placebo. Or have you changed what you want now?

It’s like conversing with flowing water… I think most people responding a day so other people might need here. This genie will not be going easily back in the bottle once let out. I feel desperately sorry for the current and future generations of children.

So you think any further, correct information on side effects given to parents is a bad thing as it may result in fewer children having the schedule the way it is?

I have said over and over again I'm not sure what methods will be used to further study side effects and that I'm interested to find out the results and methods when that happens via the HHS in the US.

No, we think that work has already been done and few to no side effects have been found. Just because it doesn't make it to mainstream media/nightly news at six doesn't mean the work hasn't been done/isn't being done.

Well, we shall see I guess

Bull shit. My ds was invited to a study for the MMR when he was born. It was clearly explained that all of the dc would receive at the minimum, the guidelines, but that some would receive the new combination.

After much discussion, we chose not to participate but the trial did go ahead and we were sent a report of the findings. The schedule was changed as a result of this trial.

You don't honestly think that licensed drugs are cooked up in a lab and given to the public with no testing? Or that schedules are changed on a whim?

I'm glad you're happy with the schedule the way it is and think everything is very safe and there are no long term side effects. That's ok. I am curious and I'm looking forward to further information.

Ugh so many typos! I meant responding incase other people are reading.

You keep saying this. What special things is the Trump administration (which has fired people with the expertise to do the research) do you think they are putting in place to study this?

Your denial of past and current studies, research and findings doesn't make them wrong. There are many peer reviewed studies you can read.

Out of genuine interest, if you had (or maybe you have) young children now, would you vaccinate them?

Yes, I think a lot of people are interested in others vaccination status in order to judge them, mock them or accuse them of putting others in danger - that is both sides of the debate btw. I'm not like that, I'm just waiting for further study so parents can have more information on safety.

I do know a couple who don’t vaccinate their children. Those children have never been vaccinated. Because that is what their parents chooses. I do judge them but only to myself. I think they are selfishly relying on the other people who do vaccinate their children to keep their children safe. All get all the benefits without having to deal with their fears of risk. They are getting the safety of herd immunity.

But because of them, and people like them, we are going to tip over into the situation that not enough children are vaccinated to achieve herd immunity. And then death rates of children rise again. Some children will be living with ongoing disability and illnesses.

I thought so