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Trump on autism

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BeHappySloth · 22/09/2025 21:59

Sorry if there is another thread - I did look.

I mean, wtf??!!

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Timeforabitofpeace · 23/09/2025 22:43

Don’t forget that this is the man who said injecting bleach cured Covid. Or was it prevented it?

oneoneone · 23/09/2025 23:01

I posted this earlier in the thread, but wanted to post it as a standalone. This is a Reuters analysis of some of the autism research funding the Trump administration has cut or cancelled. It might make interesting reading for those who are applauding them.

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/trump-administration-cut-autism-related-research-by-26-so-far-2025-2025-05-16/

XWKD · 23/09/2025 23:09

His own mother must have been on some heavy drugs before she had him to turn him into such a cunt.

Namechangelikeits1999 · 23/09/2025 23:22

I didn't take painkillers
We don't eat UPFs
I don't watch TV
My son wasn't vaccinated
I am not stressed
I do not drink or smoke
My son didn't go to nursery
I breastfed for 2 years
I am the most chemical free, screen free, stress free, hippy mum you can imagine
And my son is still autistic

AandGMammy · 23/09/2025 23:30

LaundryandDirt · 22/09/2025 23:53

An Irish politician Michael Healy Rae brought this subject up the other day. He’s calling for investigations into the sheer amount of kids being diagnosed in recent years.

I have no idea, our class sizes were 30 kids in each year, right from Junior Infants in primary to the last year in secondary. Nobody appeared to struggle or did poorly in exams. This was the 80’s and 90’s. Now it’s everywhere, my son’s school has another school attached for SEN kids and we are in a tiny rural village.

I would love to understand more. Like I said there was nobody looking back through all my friends, siblings friends,
classes, housing estate that you could look back and be confident they were probably autistic. Zero.

I think though the relevant point is that nobody “appeared” to struggle in previous generations . That doesn’t mean they didn’t , or that those conditions didn’t exist though. There is nothing new under the sun as the saying goes.

I went to a tiny rural primary in Ireland as well from the early 80’s to the 90’s & at least 2 of the 12 kids in my class have been diagnosed with autism or ADHD as adults (myself included). And after going through the diagnostic process with both my kids, I would suspect some type of neuro-divergence in at least one more when I look back.

Not sure what the UK was like, but in Ireland during the 80’s unless a child had profound autism there would have been no diagnosis- and for those children a special school (or little to no education) would have been the only option. So there would have been less awareness of the conditions among the general population.

There was also no resource hours or additional help for kids that struggled, and no understanding among teachers about any of the associated learning disabilities that sometimes go hand in hand with autism/adhd (dyslexia/dyscalculia and so on). I know a few kids that left school functionally illiterate or with nothing but the most basic numeracy skills due to nuro-diverse conditions. Back then they took “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it” approach. The criteria for diagnosis has expanded massively in the past few years.

And let’s not forget that back then, girls apparently didn’t have autism or ADHD. It’s only been in recent years that they have started to be diagnosed/recognised so that fact alone is going to mean that the numbers show a huge spike in recent years.

Finally Michael Healy Rae is apparently correlating the rise in autism with lack of vitamins, so he’s no better than Trump & Co.
There is no one definitive cause for autism, but in most cases there seems to be a genetic link (and I can say 100% there is in my family- my sister and I both have 2 kids, and they all have autism and are all absolutely perfect the way they are)

CJsGoldfish · 24/09/2025 00:42

WearyAuldWumman · 23/09/2025 20:01

I was born in 1960. Children with significant difficulties were not in mainstream schools in my childhood. Those who struggled in mainstream at my primary suddenly disappeared (to the 'special school').

At high school (Scotland, the 1970s) children who were deemed not to be coping were moved into the Remedial Department in 'the huts'. In Third Year, they were joined by those who were struggling academically and the 'R' class became the 'S' class - and those children left at 16 with no qualifications.

We definitely had autistic children. One of my schoolmates had an older autistic sister who was kept at home. One of our neighbours had an autistic non-verbal teenage daughter who was left to run around the block and chase after younger children. (The poor soul was just trying to play, but she was adult size and we were frightened of her.)

It's now clear to us that one of my mother's uncles and two of her cousins were 'high-functioning' and on the spectrum.

(Great-Uncle bought a field close to his brother's home. He built his 'hut' with a functioning fireplace. Whenever anyone came to the house, he sought refuge in his hut. His Shetland pony used to curl up in front of the fire.)

When my younger cousin's son was diagnosed with Asperger's, that helped us to understand a great deal about our family.

Yep.
There were always children with 'behavioural issues' who either ended up going to the 'special school' or left school as soon as it was possible to do so. I feel so sad that there was no understanding then, for them, or their families. And for many now, they must sometimes feel that not much has changed.

I'm not hearing any mention of improving support services and the wellbeing of families who need it here. Putting $$ to assist and support. Why is THAT not the focus if these fuckwits are so concerned about the bigly increase?
We do, however, have the promotion of a drug that has no solid evidence based research. Ivermectin take 2 🙄
Knowing Mango Mussolini's history, you have to wonder who has greased his palms this time.

Autism has always existed. Ever looked at historical records of asylums? People were labelled and institutionalised and it was easy and expected for families/husbands to do so.

CJsGoldfish · 24/09/2025 00:52

SerendipityJane · 23/09/2025 17:43

Lest we forget.

💯

Trump on autism
SpidersAreShitheads · 24/09/2025 03:29

All of this is so offensive to the autistic community. The only way to deal with it is by mocking the mad orange cunt and his drug-addled sidekick.

Trump on autism
Trump on autism
CanadaNotAMum · 24/09/2025 04:25

MySweetMaggie · 23/09/2025 20:54

The scientists at the Dept of Human Health and Science will be conducting the studies I guess. Not sure that RFK Jr will be doing them himself.

The scientists that Musk laid off? The scientists RFK JR fired because they wouldn’t sign off on bad science? Or the ones he’s trying to muzzle by preventing them from publishing in major journals?

MySweetMaggie · 24/09/2025 05:19

CanadaNotAMum · 24/09/2025 04:25

The scientists that Musk laid off? The scientists RFK JR fired because they wouldn’t sign off on bad science? Or the ones he’s trying to muzzle by preventing them from publishing in major journals?

I'm sure there are plenty of qualified scientists left to do the studies.

MissPoor · 24/09/2025 05:52

MySweetMaggie · 24/09/2025 05:19

I'm sure there are plenty of qualified scientists left to do the studies.

Well, I suppose that depends on why you think he fired the others.

CameForAVacationStayedForTheRevolution · 24/09/2025 06:44

sunshine244 · 23/09/2025 22:03

I've got two ND children and don't recall taking paracetamol during pregnancy.

Correlation also doesn't equal causation as has been mentioned. Autism is highly genetic. So autistic children often have autistic mums. Connective tissue disorders are more common in autistic people. Pain thresholds can also be affected. So perhaps paracetamol use might be higher in parents of autistic kids. That doesn't mean it is causing autism.

One of the problems of historical observational studies is relying on individual recall. Did you take paracetamol or not? Did I? I don’t know, maybe, probably 🤷‍♀️

The point about the correlation between connective tissue and autism is a very good one, especially as someone with a connective tissue disorder os more likely to take painkillers.

DD has autism and EDS, I have EDS. I can’t remember if I took paracetamol in pregnancy. I suspect I am very much on the autistic spectrum myself but this wasn’t recognised when I was a kid. Was only picked up on with Dd in her late teens.

Looking back, the signs were obvious but even 15/20 years ago it wasn’t discussed as much. for someone who could mask/stay in mainstream school they were not going to get noticed I guess. My nephew is autistic, my brother probably is. I suspect my mother was - we just thought she had bipolar or something when she had meltdown rages as an adult woman.

SisterMargaretta · 24/09/2025 07:51

Are any of the posters who think it's so important to find the cause of autism actually affected by autism in any way?

Rather than looking into a "cause" it would be far better to look into ways to support people with autism to be able to function well instead of trying to force them to live by neurotypical rules.

TheExcitersblowingupmymind · 24/09/2025 07:59

MorrisZapp · 22/09/2025 22:01

He's an embarrassment to humanity. His demise can't come soon enough.

I agree unfortunately that other crazy bastard Vance is waiting in the Wings.🤯

Justsaynonow · 24/09/2025 08:49

oneoneone · 23/09/2025 21:04

Right, but why would you think no more is being done? A quick google will show there's loads of ongoing research all over the world.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9498424/#:~:text=Autism%20Database%20(AutDB),candidates%20biologically%20relevant%20to%20ASD).

And this is a quick read on the fact that Trump and RFK have defunded autism research (along with cancer research).
https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/trump-administration-cut-autism-related-research-by-26-so-far-2025-2025-05-16/

Figured this was a good post to tag onto with analysis of published research by Dr. Eric Feigl-Ding, who holds a doctorate in Epidemiology (and another in Nutrition), was a faculty and researcher for 15+ years at Harvard, and was a whistleblower during the Vioxx drug safety debacle versus Merck.

If you don't want to click the link or read in depth, the summary is "the largest & best study in the world in 2.5 MILLION KIDS—found no increased autism risk with acetaminophen (aka paracetamol, Tylenol) use by the mother during pregnancy."

https://x.com/DrEricDing/status/1970238664169885774

Eric Feigl-Ding (@DrEricDing) on X

⚠️TYLENOL & AUTISM—RFK Jr and Trump are wrong—the largest & best study in the world in 2.5 MILLION KIDS—found no increased autism risk with acetaminophen (aka paracetamol, Tylenol) use by the mother during pregnancy. A crude unadjusted analysis...

https://x.com/DrEricDing/status/1970238664169885774

phoenixrosehere · 24/09/2025 09:42

AandGMammy · 23/09/2025 23:30

I think though the relevant point is that nobody “appeared” to struggle in previous generations . That doesn’t mean they didn’t , or that those conditions didn’t exist though. There is nothing new under the sun as the saying goes.

I went to a tiny rural primary in Ireland as well from the early 80’s to the 90’s & at least 2 of the 12 kids in my class have been diagnosed with autism or ADHD as adults (myself included). And after going through the diagnostic process with both my kids, I would suspect some type of neuro-divergence in at least one more when I look back.

Not sure what the UK was like, but in Ireland during the 80’s unless a child had profound autism there would have been no diagnosis- and for those children a special school (or little to no education) would have been the only option. So there would have been less awareness of the conditions among the general population.

There was also no resource hours or additional help for kids that struggled, and no understanding among teachers about any of the associated learning disabilities that sometimes go hand in hand with autism/adhd (dyslexia/dyscalculia and so on). I know a few kids that left school functionally illiterate or with nothing but the most basic numeracy skills due to nuro-diverse conditions. Back then they took “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it” approach. The criteria for diagnosis has expanded massively in the past few years.

And let’s not forget that back then, girls apparently didn’t have autism or ADHD. It’s only been in recent years that they have started to be diagnosed/recognised so that fact alone is going to mean that the numbers show a huge spike in recent years.

Finally Michael Healy Rae is apparently correlating the rise in autism with lack of vitamins, so he’s no better than Trump & Co.
There is no one definitive cause for autism, but in most cases there seems to be a genetic link (and I can say 100% there is in my family- my sister and I both have 2 kids, and they all have autism and are all absolutely perfect the way they are)

I think though the relevant point is that nobody “appeared” to struggle in previous generations . That doesn’t mean they didn’t , or that those conditions didn’t exist though. There is nothing new under the sun as the saying goes.

Agree. I think that the conditions were easier to mask or were not something considered “abnormal” or “odd” depending on the time and social norms of the times.

The world today is also much different than it was decades ago; much louder, noisier, bright, busy, more stimulating and crowded in many places.

I do wonder sometimes if trauma not just during pregnancy and labour, but in life plays a part with autism or if it is being put under the spectrum of autism. Could some traits of autism be behaviours created out of survival?Or, has autism always been prevalent but due to our “modern” society and the changes of norms it has become more obvious?

YourBrickTiger · 24/09/2025 09:47

TheExcitersblowingupmymind · 24/09/2025 07:59

I agree unfortunately that other crazy bastard Vance is waiting in the Wings.🤯

If he comes to power. just let me and every other cat lady off the planet. We will conolize live on Venus.

TheExcitersblowingupmymind · 24/09/2025 10:26

YourBrickTiger · 24/09/2025 09:47

If he comes to power. just let me and every other cat lady off the planet. We will conolize live on Venus.

Can I come even though I don't have a 😺 😁

YourBrickTiger · 24/09/2025 10:27

TheExcitersblowingupmymind · 24/09/2025 10:26

Can I come even though I don't have a 😺 😁

A healthy respect for the mighty feline is necessary if you don't have one. There will be plenty there for you to fawn over on our colonized planet.

MistressoftheDarkSide · 24/09/2025 10:39

YourBrickTiger · 24/09/2025 10:27

A healthy respect for the mighty feline is necessary if you don't have one. There will be plenty there for you to fawn over on our colonized planet.

I have two who will appreciate extra slaves x I'm signing up for colonisation elsewhere, looking at the current crop of political specimen jockeying for power, like Farage as well, I think it's our only hope.....

YourBrickTiger · 24/09/2025 10:47

MistressoftheDarkSide · 24/09/2025 10:39

I have two who will appreciate extra slaves x I'm signing up for colonisation elsewhere, looking at the current crop of political specimen jockeying for power, like Farage as well, I think it's our only hope.....

JD Vance will rue the day he messed with us!

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 24/09/2025 10:54

Makes me so angry.

It’s just to get all the misogynists salivating at the idea of keeping women in pain.

CarpeVitam · 24/09/2025 13:37

AliceMaforethought · 23/09/2025 07:32

Trump is also a senile old man, so your point makes no sense. Also, the Americans could have voted for Kamala. People get the government they deserve.

In a democracy, that is so true.

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