Trump on autism

[BeHappySloth]

Sorry if there is another thread - I did look.

I mean, wtf??!!

@ColdSalads what about when a child is diagnosed and whilst going through the assessments many parents go 'ooh if I did that questionnaire I would probably answer the questions the same' or grandad is very similar, or Uncle Bob or Auntie Susan. None of those relatives were diagnosed as a child but probably would be now. Many adults are in fact going for late diagnosis, as they can now see why they have struggled to fit into society.

Kamala Harris was not a legitimate nominee. She was only there as the power hungry Biden had pulled out late, too late to have primaries for a Democratic nominee. Harris was unelectable, that's why Trump "won" (inverted commas as he has nothing to win as it wasn't a contest.)

Harris came 16th in the 2020 primaries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries#Withdrew_during_the_primaries

She was devoid of any substance.

Biden made her VP as her being 1.younger 2.female 3.black it contrasted with him, an old white man, thus together they could represent a wider demographic for an election to pull in more votes.

Biden's selfishness by not leaving early enough to have a 2024 vote for the Democratic nominee effectively ensured Trump would get reelected as he didn't have an opponent.

Yes racism (especially among the right) is rampant in america (in its first election only white men of property could vote, at the same time in Britain only men of property could vote (no barrier was put on race hence Ignatius Sancho voted in the 1774 and 1780 British general elections), but race is not the reason Harris did not get elected. She was a shocking nominee, an ilegitimate one, who was fast tracked due to a selfish act.

If you watch the video of Trump's announcement, he comes across the drug name (acetaminophen) as though he's never seen it before, and has to ask for advice on how to pronounce it.
Possibly not someone we should be crediting with having a great deal of understanding of the drug or anything to do with it, if even the name of it is new information.

The video does make you wonder if someone has added the name to the speech just to highlight that he hasn't a clue what he's spouting off about.

I find him extremely intelligent and coherent. You honestly think he isn't intelligent? Wow. He has an encyclopaedic memory, for one. And you don't win court cases against some of the biggest companies in the world with low intelligence.

My repetition is just me answering everyone's questions and responding to their arguments against me.

Harris was unelectable but Trump wasn't?

I get that you didn't rate Harris, but can you explain why you think Trump was the more suitable candidate?

Have you watched his congressional testimony? A lot of it would seem to refute the encyclopaedic memory assertion.

It's the same with ADHD. I am definitely on a spectrum of some sorts, without doubt, but I still hold down two jobs, look after my son and make the best of things.

With low level autism and ADHD you're basically giving someone a "get out of life free" card.

Look how often it get's used as an excuse on MN "I got accused of racism but I have adhd" being one of the more memorable recent ones.

A rise in the number of diagnoses.
Does not necessarily mean a rise in the number of people with autism.

Given that where Trump clears the path, others follow, what are people thoughts about when this happens in the UK ?

Or, to put it another way, who here can believe the man on the right saying anything other than "You know what Don ? You're pretty much right about everything."

I think he wants something from the company that makes Tylenol. And he's forcing their hand. He will half retract this after he's done whatever deal he was after. A bit like the tariffs: make it extreme, make it unsustainable, make them panic, and they will come and negotiate. In a couple of weeks we'll see someone from government saying that although there's a link, it's not a cause, and that they will continue to research it to "fight it back" and "completely get rid of it" and whatever nonsense he makes up. It will get buried in the pile of "we are right but also it depends" and "our own team has discovered other potential links as well and we'll update very very soon". I saw this morning a post on Threads with someone showing other statistics to proof how easy it was to match random items if you are cherry picking stats to make it look like they were connected. The post was about avocado on toast but also showed stats on use of Netflix, number of new breweries and other stuff that had stats overlapping the increase of ASD diagnoses to show how you could basically use random data to make these claims.

Wtf is right. Just when you think he can’t get any worse 🤦🏻‍♀️

The polio vaccine has an excellent safety record.

I thought he was great in congress.

Another one who is really interesting is Aaron Siri. So intelligent, focused on truth and speaking for the vaccine injured. These are very brave people. Going against the narrative can be quite dangerous.

The authors of the paper you linked suggest that the rise is likely due to "increased reporting and application of diagnosis" so we're seeing improved diagnosis, rather than a "horrific rise" in prevalence.

From the abstract of your study:
"Conclusions
Increases could be due to growth in prevalence or, more likely, increased reporting and application of diagnosis. Rising diagnosis among adults, females and higher functioning individuals suggest augmented recognition underpins these changes."

It would, of course, be a very worrying trend if during that period everybody had been tested at age 5 and there was a 100% reliable diagnostic test. However, we only test people we think might be autistic and the criteria for diagnosis have widened. If you do more tests then you're going to diagnose more people.

To be fair I think there is a correlation between being unable to cope in mainstream society (eg school) and Autism.
I sit on a PX Panel at a large school and the vast majority of DC that come in front of us have some form of ND.
I can see how an inability to Regulate could lead to them getting into trouble post school as well. Some ND people struggle with work too and others self medicate
All thes things could well lead to ending up in prison for SOME

Who does?

How old are you? I’m 61 and I was vaccinated for measles. Everyone I know around my age was. Families leapt on the vaccine because the disease was devastating.

If you have children, did you have them vaccinated?

I suspect that in that era, when I was also at primary school, several factors applied to give the impression that things "weren't that bad".

Primarily, there were "special schools" where the most challenging were educated. Additionally there were fewer dual income households, and wider family tended to be "the village" that helped raise a child who might not make it into education or qualify for institutionalisation.

Those with challenges such as autism that did get into mainstream education were also subject to very different parenting and teaching styles than are considered best practise today. They learned by fear and the slipper or cane to conform. Bullying would also have been commonplace.

At secondary level kids who weren't performing educationally could be sidelined with little oversight. There wasn't the emphasis on staying in education and getting good grades and going to Uni that there is now. There was the option of leaving at 16 and going to work, which for some probably gave them the lifeline they needed to get out of the rigid education system of the time.

The argument that autism has increased, and remember it's a spectrum, can't be definitively quantified because it was always there, in the form of the odd kid, the eccentric family, etc.

We now live in a world where paradoxically diversity is championed, yet also seen as a problem to be solved, because the latter feeds the capitalist machine. Which is no doubt at the root of Trumps ramblings yesterday, plus the massaging of his saviour complex ego.

We're conditioned to live in a world that moves fast in every direction, with simple solutions to complex issues, some of which don't need to be issues at all if approached with a bit of common sense and compassion.

What Teump has done is incredibly dangerous and regressive and could well lead to maternal deaths, autistic children being used as guinea pigs and traumatised if new "treatments" don't work for them, and tried and tested vaccine programmes being dismantled causing increases in diseases that have been largely controlled for decades. Not to mention the incredibly unfair and unnecessary psychological torment of making women feel responsible for their children's issues without any definitive evidence that they are.

I'm absolutely disgusted and raging at the whole thing and the day can't come soo enough when Trump is ousted from office one way or another.

I suspect that in that era, when I was also at primary school, several factors applied to give the impression that things "weren't that bad".

Primarily, there were "special schools" where the most challenging were educated. Additionally there were fewer dual income households, and wider family tended to be "the village" that helped raise a child who might not make it into education or qualify for institutionalisation.

Those with challenges such as autism that did get into mainstream education were also subject to very different parenting and teaching styles than are considered best practise today. They learned by fear and the slipper or cane to conform. Bullying would also have been commonplace.

At secondary level kids who weren't performing educationally could be sidelined with little oversight. There wasn't the emphasis on staying in education and getting good grades and going to Uni that there is now. There was the option of leaving at 16 and going to work, which for some probably gave them the lifeline they needed to get out of the rigid education system of the time.

The argument that autism has increased, and remember it's a spectrum, can't be definitively quantified because it was always there, in the form of the odd kid, the eccentric family, etc.

We now live in a world where paradoxically diversity is championed, yet also seen as a problem to be solved, because the latter feeds the capitalist machine. Which is no doubt at the root of Trumps ramblings yesterday, plus the massaging of his saviour complex ego.

We're conditioned to live in a world that moves fast in every direction, with simple solutions to complex issues, some of which don't need to be issues at all if approached with a bit of common sense and compassion.

What Teump has done is incredibly dangerous and regressive and could well lead to maternal deaths, autistic children being used as guinea pigs and traumatised if new "treatments" don't work for them, and tried and tested vaccine programmes being dismantled causing increases in diseases that have been largely controlled for decades. Not to mention the incredibly unfair and unnecessary psychological torment of making women feel responsible for their children's issues without any definitive evidence that they are.

I'm absolutely disgusted and raging at the whole thing and the day can't come soo enough when Trump is ousted from office one way or another.

I remember what the media told us about Invermectin for two whole years......

I heard this on the radio and got so angry I cried! When I was pregnant with DS I took paracetamol, antibiotics (because I had a kidney infection and then infected midge bites a few months later,) loratadine, (to stop the itching from said midges feasting on me,) and before I found out I was pregnant I had ibuprofen, cough medicine, Beecham's cold and flu sachets and I was drinking alcohol! DS has already had his MMR. If he does have autism or ADHD it'll be because of family history. It runs in my family, possibly his father's too.

Trump can fuck off.

It’s the change in educational delivery that l believe is causing so many issues to surface.

I started teaching in 96. No pressure on kids. No targets, no league tables, lessons were less tightly focused. ND kids stopped coming to school of flew beneath the radar.

Now kids are drilled and targeted to within an inch of their lives. No wind down time in school, short lunch breaks. They are constantly ‘on’ . Too much pressure on them. They can’t slip beneath the radar.

For posters saying I had measles when I was a child and I'm okay, is that the same as me saying I grew up in the 70s when there were no seatbelts in the back of a car and I'm okay, so who needs seatbelts?