To think criminals are very common?

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I see lots of threads on here claiming moral high ground and pearl clutching for example about people not correcting large company’s on a billing mistake. All very tsk tsk tsk “that’s stealing” etc.

it got me thinking, I’m sure it’s dependent on your region but I don’t believe there’s a single person where I’m from that doesn’t either know or have a relation to a criminal in some way. If mums net was a true representation of the public, surely criminals would be shunned from communities and the holier than thou would reign free.

where I’m from, everybody, and I do mean everybody - either knows someone directly or are themselves involved in illegal activity in some way. Even if it was historically. It’s astoundingly common. Anyone who claims otherwise is either lying or incredibly naive.

what are your thoughts? How do the whiter than white cope in life? FWIW there’s absolutely not a chance on this earth I’d correct for example Tesco on sending me a free online shop by mistake. I’d actually find it more morally inferior TO correct them.

I said two things about people in nice areas.

Oh they can indeed.

Some of the world's stupidest people have advanced educational qualifications

You but you also said 1/2 the population live in deprived areas. When in fact half the population have one measure of deprivation. This doesn’t mean they all live in deprived areas.

A deprived area is generally related to poverty. And half the population don’t live in them.

Yeah, the PP said they've since been diagnosed with autism. This has increasingly become the police's problem, due to diminished mental health resources. Various police districts have temporarily refused to handle MH crises - only to be vilified for 'not caring' when all they're empowered to do is restrain the person and bung them in a cell while waiting for a doctor to arrive 😢 It's unfair on the officers and cruel to everyone else involved.

This hopeless lack of MH structure isn't unique to the UK. Two of my friends are permanently barred from the USA because aggressive immigration officers triggered autistic meltdowns. Yes, my friends broke multiple laws - they resisted arrest (because they hadn't done anything wrong so, in their minds, should not have been under arrest); they lashed out (because they were frightened); they failed to answer questions (because they were crying and unable to speak). One of these people was a frail, anorexic teenager.

The UK police are actually better than most at differentiating MH issues from criminal intent. But they aren't qualified to diagnose: their job is to stop people doing criminal things, not to understand why they're doing them. It's a shitshow - the more 'care in the community' fails to care, the more outfall lands on the police who are already stretched.

On top of that, how do you define 'criminal' and 'mentally inflicted'? It could be argued that anyone ignoring social norms & values is mentally unhealthy. That's a philosophical maze I wouldn't want to be responsible for navigating.

--- In much smaller news, I did a tiny crime this evening 😂 On my way out, I noticed the hem tag was still dangling off my dress. So I pulled it out and let it drop. Shame on me but, if you found a Nobody's Child tag lying on a pavement tonight, you know who to blame!

Don’t be daft. Most of the UK isn’t deprived.

What does that even mean?

the police will always be the ones who have to section in a public place so will inevitably be involved in MH crisis’ and its not uncommon for people with paranoid delusions to end up detained at the police station with because the section escalates or the unwell person is violent.

I would hope the police only ever arrest as a last resort or for “known threats” but that’s not really reliable.

They experience deprivation.

Yes most of the UK experience at least one area of deprivation.

It means that most people are deprived in at least one of the areas that they measure for deprivation, like education.

And again… what do you mean by that? Half the population experiences deprivation ?

Half of the population experiences at least one area of deprivation. Ive provided an ONS link and you could just Google it and find out if you dont know what it means.

You are, quite simply, talking out of your bottom.

Can you provide even ONE source that remotely supports this assertion in the UK? Just one will do

Oh @LoftyRobin your link doesn’t show that most are deprived in one area in the Uk

I'd say I'm a fairly ordinary person (degree educated, now work in the NHS). There are people I know who have:

Dealt drugs/been to prison for it.
Been to jail for assault etc.
Jailed for having indecent pictures of children on their computers.
I know someone who is in jail for murdering her husband.

Often these will be the sons or relatives of other ordinary working people. Person who murdered her husband was very middle class.

I think that where I live other petty crime such as shoplifting etc is rife. And I think you'd be hard pushed to find an area that isn't. We have a huge problem in my area with rural crime such as farm machinery thefts and break ins or people having whole flocks of sheep stolen. Anyone from elsewhere in the country would think I live in a "nice" area but there's a lot of crime happening all the time.

Think it did. 51% is over half.

Yes i already did.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/householdcharacteristics/homeinternetandsocialmediausage/bulletins/householdandresidentcharacteristicsenglandandwales/census2021

• Over half of households in England and Wales (51.7%, 12.8 million) were deprived in at least one dimension or measure of household deprivation; this number has decreased since 2011, when it was 57.6% (13.5 million).

One of the measures is

• *health and disability: any person in the household has general health that is “bad” or “very bad” or is identified as disabled*

so absolutely nothing to do with deprivation in the sense that we are discussing here ie poverty, living in a deprived area.

and people self declaring whether their general health is “bad” or “very bad” sounds a little weak for a measurement!

either way @LoftyRobin I have been aware of you on other threads and you’re always arguing on a point that the vast majority are telling you isn’t relevant and you go on and on

so I’ll leave it here

Being very disabled, especially in this society, is of course an area of deprivation. It doesnt just mean having dinner on the table or a few pounds in your purse. This is how deprivation is measured.

And in fact, people's self reported health is a very good indication of disability because you'll find that many quite profoundly disabled people feel they have good health.

It's okay that you dont understand what deprivation means, but for the purposes of this discussion, so you can make useful contributions, you should go away and learn. GCSE sociology will cover the basics.

It wasn’t asking about self measurement for a disability

it was asking about health

very different

So you get statistics from the Office of National Satistics, and a mumsnet user rejects these statistics from our national census as nonsense because she doesnt want to believe it. Jesus Christ our world is in a terrible place. No wonder we jave a president who has no issues spreading fake science when our ordinary people reckon they know more than the ONS.

This side quest into posters being mortally offended at the implication they might live in deprived areas is peak mumsnet

I’m h @LoftyRobin you weee the one arguing that you feel no safer in a single space changing room than mixed.

I mean…. On the basis of that alone, I think I’ll just ignore future posts from you. As others have decided to do

Well that’s just weird