Farage promises to deport people with ILR

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Nigel Farage stated he would deport anyone with existing indefinite leave to remain. We are talking about millions of people.
This terrifying. If people live here, work here, have kids and mortgages - where are they supposed to go?

They've said it won’t apply to EU citizens with SS. Doesn’t that apply to you?

The problem with these threads is they descend into pitting everyone (well let's be honest, poor immigrants and poor british born working class) against each other.

The comment about British born benefit claimants somewhat undermines your inclusive message and this undertone of sneering contempt for the lazy workshy working class (or not working, if you so believe) really doesn't help.

And I say this as a fully paid up lefty.

I've given up trying to educate mumsnet about the benefit system as there is so much disinformation out there that people can now pick and choose the 'truth' to suit them.

For example, if you'd like a 'truth' on the other end of the spectrum, on Saturday, a poster claimed to work in UC and knew of a British born man with a severe brain injury that had left him disabled after a car crash who was found fit to work and had to prove he was searching for work while an immigrant was receiving PIP for 'depression' (sic) who sent a large proportion of the money back to his family abroad.

This is either a) a case of the first man needing to get outside help in applying for PIP or go to tribunal and also providing proof of the second man's undeserved bounty or b) a load of bullshit trying to imply the benefit system is, what? Favouring scrounging immigrants? But it must be true as the poster claimed to be an immigrant themselves....🤔

Quite frankly, more and more, these threads show how easily we're manipulated and divided. Which is more than sad.

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no but neither would they be eligible to receive any benefits and they can't stay past the period of time specified on the work visa.

I don’t believe immigrants should be entitled to the same government benefits as citizens.

That’s my view as an immigrant.

How long are you envisaging a doctor has been here when thinking of that happening? When you say they’ve contributed for years, what do you have in mind? Because they can apply for citizenship at some point.

£60 k. Nearly double average wage.

He wants to move the UK immigration system to one similar to the gulf states: guest worker visas that need to be frequently renewed and don't provide for any route towards citizenship - and if you lose your job, then you're out.

Trouble is, the only way that works is to make the rest of the offer extremely attractive: the gulf states manage this with zero income tax, hot weather, and a good standard of living. I'm not sure the UK can really compete.

Well Reform would like to be more like that, so I guess integration can be scrapped from their list.

And most immigrants in the UK can't claim benefits.

Labour's white paper is proposing extending time for citizenship to 10 years after ILR. May not pass. But if it does doctors, engineers, scientists could spend 10 years here and then be kicked out by Farage.

They can, but they may not want to. Not everyone wants to give up the nationality that they were born with. And not all countries allow dual nationality.

He'll have to be PM first and I honestly don't think he actually wants that.

And yes, trying to compete with the UAE is mad when they have zero tax!

And it is expensive

It's also incredibly labour intensive to support, and will need substantial investment to make it work. It's likely to involve significantly higher levels of government involvement into all our lives to police it too.

Can we say what this is in plain terms?

This is taking people who have been given a legal right to live in this country and turning round and saying "we don't want you any more, Fuck Off."

And doubtless it won't stop there. Next it will be citizens.

It's immoral, it's unworkable, it will be a financial disaster and cause misery to millions including British citizens and their families. It completely overturns what we used to be told were British values of fairness and decency,

I don't want to hear any more whining about "I'm not Far Right, I just want to control illegal immigration" because we're not talking about "illegal" immigrants here.

If you support this policy then yes, you are Far Right and you're a shit human being as well. Go and hang up your flags while you bring shame on this country.

I think in reality it is not the doctors, engineers or scientists that Farage is seeking to exclude. They can apply to extend their visas if they want to and people with high level skills are realistically welcome in any country.

Canada, USA, Australia. UEA welcomes skilled workers and removes those who cant support themselves, why is that wrong? Do you think the UK should be the home for all the world’s poor?

Farage can't even be bothered to go to meetings. Deporting people would be far too much hard work for him.

He is a vile, hateful man with no moral compass whatsoever. It is terrifying to think that he may be our next PM.

We have one like already. Sir Keir

I just watched the bbc news. Why is farage even on it. He only4 seats for reform party. The Lib Dem’s have 74 seats. Horrible rabble rouser. I do believe the boat crossings need to be stopped but the bbc should not be a mouthpiece for reform uk.

I am seriously afraid. It's like the rise of the Third Reich.

Terrifying.

While Farage is once again making statements to gain attention and attract voters this isn't what he said

By playing into the fear factor of politics from the ether side you are playing along with this game, one he constantly fuels

Sensible reporting on what was actually said and sensible conversations need to happen all this scare mongering on both sides is over taking politics and is dangerous

And that is exactly my point. Most won’t stay unless they have some other ties to the UK. It’s one thing to change things going forward, but another to have something you’ve worked for suddenly revoked and find yourself on shaky grounds.

You seem to think that it’s some great privilege to work in the UK and people come here for the honour, when in fact it’s an economic transaction that only works as long as both parties see some benefit, And the UK does have a lot to gain from immigration. Do you think successive governments have (rightly or wrongly) allowed people to come over and bring their families out of the goodness of their hearts or to make it a more attractive prospect for highly skilled workers?

That's a bit of an exaggeration - no one is getting killed are they?

I forgot about Labour’s plan on that, which is a long time. Although the people you’ve listed are more likely to be over the threshold.