Farage promises to deport people with ILR

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Nigel Farage stated he would deport anyone with existing indefinite leave to remain. We are talking about millions of people.
This terrifying. If people live here, work here, have kids and mortgages - where are they supposed to go?

If Reform start framing pensioners as benefit claimants/not economically active, as opposed to a special class of citizens who are dependent on state money without any of the moral judgement that seems to come with other benefits, that will get interesting fast.

Couldn't agree more. And I think there is a real danger he will get in if the electorate doesn't wake up.

I think he’s shooting himself in the foot making outlandish claims like this. Most people will think it’s over the top snd not possible to implement. Those who may have been swayed towards voting for him now won’t because he’s exposing himself as the lunatic he is.

See this as a good thing. He’s showing his true colours and eroding his support.

If have agreed with this a few years ago. But having seen the speed with which Trump has dismantled legal checks and balances in the US, I don’t think we can afford to be complacent.

This is what I have read. OP needs to quote the source for this. Too much misinformation gets spread

This was the impression I got. The proposed new rules would only apply to arrivals after said law came into effect. Making it less attractive to come here being the aim, and to ease the massive pressure on our public services.

I love that we are a safe and ordinarily a welcoming country but we are flat broke and there seems no way out of it. We need to prioritise those who are here already. We can re-consider when/if our economy improves.

Look at what is happening in the US if you think it “can’t happen” in the UK. Trump promised to deport millions of “criminals and illegals” and when he couldn’t find them he and his storm troopers have resorted to grabbing green card holders and elderly grandmothers and Korean visitors with visas off the streets and out if their homes to make up the numbers. He has imprisoned people without trial and is shipping them to African countries or South American prisons. This is explicitly Farage’s model. Don’t be complacent.

But why deal with the uncertainty and expense when they can use their skills and pay taxes almost anywhere in the world?

One in six UC claimants is foreign born. 15% of our UC bill potentially saved in one fell swoop. Do you think these claimants came here entirely altruistically, just for the nice weather?

I’m not sure about this but I guess we’ll see with polling.

There are lots of sources online for what he actually said

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c930xypxpqpo

Probably. But I do not think for a moment that they will succeed.

I disagree. Benefits for immigrants should be tied to their employment and provided by their employers, rather than being a general entitlement from the government.

Another source

https://www.ft.com/content/4e1641eb-89f6-4c26-b190-cc9151e520dc

Doctors can also fall ill or become disabled.

I wonder how many of them will choose to remain here without any safety net, and how many will choose to take their skills and tax contributions elsewhere.

OP refers to people who live and work here with kids and mortgages. Farage has no problem with that kind of person. He does specifically say that he wants people working (or at least not claiming benefits) and speaking a reasonable level of English. I think that is a reasonable expectation of an immigrant.

I bet nobody on this thread would plan to emigrate to another country to claim benefits from their government and not bother learning any of the local language.

If they want to stay, they will. That’s up to them.

So were all the EU citizens who stayed after Brexit NOT part of the vital workforce? Far more applications were submitted for settled status after Brexit, than EU citizens we were told were here before Brexit… or are you confirming we really just didn't know how many were here in the first place?

Should that be the case for all then? No NHS unless it's provided for via your employment? What about a state pension? Would YOU be happy paying NI for decades if it meant you never saw a penny when you are state pension age? That's what the situation would be. How is that fair?

That’s not how it was presented in the article I read. They were saying he is proposing retrospective cancellation of ILR.

On your second paragraph, I am interested in your view of areas of society where we are currently dependent on foreign workers - ie social care, nursing, etc. And also if you have thought deeply about or researched what the actual cost of providing public services to certain types of immigrants is compared to the services they bring to the country?

I’m not being argumentative - just genuinely interested in your views as mine are different.

UC is paid to working people, including an awful lot of people working in essential roles.

Why shouldn't people who may have contributed far more in tax in many cases than many British citizens have access to the welfare benefits that they have been helping to pay for?

What about expats in the UAE? Do they integrate and learn the local language do you think?

To be fair, Farage would probably love that.

However, a lot of people who vote for Reform would not.

Depends on what is set as the salary threshold doesn’t it?