Farage promises to deport people with ILR

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Nigel Farage stated he would deport anyone with existing indefinite leave to remain. We are talking about millions of people.
This terrifying. If people live here, work here, have kids and mortgages - where are they supposed to go?

I'm sorry for you and anyone else who is feeling anxious about this. I think whipping up these fears are all part of creating a hostile environment. It looks like people with EU passports may be OK, but we don't have a huge amount of information yet.

That’s also misinformation, nowhere did they say any of that either.

I listened to this. I am not a pro Reform person. Far from it.

However, this is possible, and it is plausible. You can end ILR. It is status in law but not a citizenship. There has always been this difference.

I thought it was professional and appeared well thought out, calculated to remind everyone of the Conservative mess on legal migration and make Labour look like they want to support low paid jobs.

Both Labour and Conservatives should be worried. This is the next election in a nutshell. It will be popular.

He is so populist it's insane and people buy into it. What he wants to do now is whipping up the distrust of Eastern Europeans as he did with Brexit, hinting that too many are on benefits yada yada. I don't think it will happen but it is worrying and does not create a nice climate. I am an EU national and have been here since 97, two kids which unfortunately does not have any EU passport yet. I can't afford to become a citizen as it cost around £2K. Wish I had done it years ago. Not that I want it but I am stuck here, with husband, kids, house, job. It's not just up and leave as some people seem to think after 28 years in a country.

The BBC says:

Reform said the changes would not apply to EU nationals whose settled status is protected under the European Union Withdrawal Agreement - and who make up the majority of benefit claimants by people with ILR.
But EU nationals not benefiting from the provisions of the Withdrawal Agreement will be subject to the new system.

We have a Labour council but many Reform councillors. They are an embarrassment, constantly talking down our council and our town, butbthey are still very popular becuase rheyre "saying it as it is".

I how you're right and the fact that they're not "doing" anything as councils will make them unelectable as government, but my experience is that it won't matter a jot. They're telling people wha they want to hear and are very popular.

It will impact you. It will impact all of us. Just the fact that he has said will impact us. It doesn't matter of reform's plans are feasible. He is just trying to convince the British electorate that reform is not scared to implement big, drastic schemes to gives their voters what they want.

The reason why this impacts us is because Labour and the tories see how popular reform are becoming and will shift their policies to the right so they dont lose voters. The tories will shift considerably further to the right and labour to a smaller but still significant extent.

It won't help because the people sympathetic to reform don't want small changes (whether sensible or not). They want someone to take a sledge hammer to what they see as the immigration problem. They want crazy and outlandish and if a policy sticks up two fingers to human rights or the echr even better. So reform just gets more and more extreme and the tories and labour follow suit. In a few years labour will feel forced to try to implement the same as what reform is suggesting now but by then reform will suggest even crazier stuff so it still wont seem enough. We are just slowly boiling frogs.

When I looked at the BBC news site just after 12.30pm (when I saw this thread) the BBC had quoted Yusuf as saying it will apply to everyone & be retrospective
But when I went back to look again at 1pm the BBC had updated the article & it's now been updated again.

If you were a child in the 50s I'm guessing you retired at 60, no? 🤔

From the insider info that I have heard, they're completely paralysed by their lack of experience, and nothing is getting done because the councillors haven't yet got their heads around their briefs.

Yes, I know a young couple from a country that doesn't allow dual citizenship. They are both here with ILR and are partners in large law firms, so will be earning seven figures (each) and paying tax on that.

I could have applied for citizenship, but originally you had to send your passport to the Home Office for maybe months at a time, which wasn't an option for me as my elderly father lived on the other side of the world and I had to be able to travel quickly if necessary. The process is different now, but there was no real difference for me in terms of being able to come and go so I didn't do it.

What amused me at the press conference was Farage saying that far too many people were abusing ILR and then when the journalist asked the question about pensioners he seemed amazed that they hadn't applied for citizenship, which presumably he would also disapprove of.

This is what people marched for with Tommy Robinson, mass deportations and remigration.

I know someone, a non-EU citizen, who got ILR and once worked, but now lives in social housing that was offered to them following the onset of severe disability. They have lived here for 15 years. They can't afford to now return to their home country as the medication they need to stay alive needs to be paid for out of pocket at enormous cost, and they are not well enough to work to be able to look at getting insurance to offset this cost, so they're basically completely fucked if this comes in.

Re partners in a law firm isn’t there an earnings threshold for this? They’d be over that

This 'policy' will crash the UK economy, but no more pesky foreigners taking British jobs

I completely agree on your latter point. I’m in a reform county 😭 and they’ve done fuck all. The district council are Labour led, a mix of green, and a few reform. It’s a bit odd. Honestly I’m just hopeful they field the same quality (ie poor) for a GE because it will fall apart rapidly. But we’d be back in Boris land where nothing can get done because everyone is rubbish.

Do people move here to claim benefits? All the people I know from abroad are highly skilled professionals but I do work in engineering. How do you even do that get a visa to enter the country if you don't have the skills?

Would you object to having to fill in a form every five years?

Yes, they would - I meant that Farage is portraying everyone with ILR as a sponger, when in fact plenty of us are paying (or have paid) an absolute fortune into the British system. As someone pointed out earlier, a lot of doctors will also hold ILR, so paying heaps of tax and doing something useful.

So they’ll probably be able to manage to fill in a form every five years then. If they can’t, I’m not sure I’d want them treating me, tbh.

My experience of immigrants communities is that even when they're less skilled/qualified they're incredibly hardworking. I'd be amazed if there's any data to support the idea that they "all" come to claim benefits.

It is a view that's widespread though and foxing a non existent problem does seem to be Farage's pain for getting a Reform government.

The proposals are based on a report that the authors have said is wrong.

Reform is more than economical with the truth

I wasn’t amused at his remark about pensioners with ILR. He was very clear. He said why are we paying them pensions?

Nothing funny about it. It was very clear what he wants. You are either here on a visa like a guest arbiter earning good money or you are a British citizen. The first category will mean you are expected not to claim any public benefits.

Other countries seem to manage their migration well, why do you think Britain is uniquely placed in being unable to? And if we are, shouldn't we remedy that?

I think it was British citizenship that he said they wouldn't try to revoke if it had already been granted.