Farage promises to deport people with ILR

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Nigel Farage stated he would deport anyone with existing indefinite leave to remain. We are talking about millions of people.
This terrifying. If people live here, work here, have kids and mortgages - where are they supposed to go?

Seven figures is 1,000,000. Lots of partners in the big London firms earn over a million pounds a year. (And yes, I'm ex-Magic Circle, where they definitely do).

Which would be revoked if someone earns under 60k, which most people do.

Well, they’re definitely hotels but not 4 star as we’d recognise it.

Epping council brought their case against the Bell hotel on the grounds that its use had ‘materially’ changed. Although then lost on the same grounds.

From the initial decision in that case:

1. “Reception, catering, cleaning and related services are provided by the Defendant. In addition a welfare officer and a number of security staff are stationed at the Bell. The security staff are contracted provided by CTM and there is a security presence at all times.”
2. “Most but not all of the 80 bedrooms are in double occupancy.”
3. “Those accommodated in the Bell have no choice of room nor of the person with whom they are to share.”
4. “Those resident at the Bell are free to come and go but any of them who wishes to be away for more than one day must obtain authorisation from the Home Office.”
5. “The Defendant is required to obtain a signature from each resident each day and to notify the Home Office if any resident is not seen for more than one day.”
6. “There have been no changes to the internal structure of the Bell and the only external change is the erection of fencing which was a response to the unlawful activity … ”

When you stay in a 4 star hotel do you normally expect to get put in a room with someone you don’t know? Or to have to sign in every day and have the government informed if you don’t? No wonder Airbnb got so popular if so.

Needs to give his head a wobble. Why does he think.oeople are bothered about legal immigration ... we desperately need it, our NHS won't survive without it, that's just for starters.

Do you work and contribute? If so you will be fine.

The rot has already set in with politicians and parts of the media describing judges as ‘traitors’ for ruling against right wing legislation. The last government passed legislation that broke international law. Current worldwide events are showing bad faith actors how toothless international courts actually are. Trump has more or less said he’s willing to ignore the Supreme Court if it does rule against him. The erosion of respect for the rule of law here is in full train.

It was at the press conference.

He said starting with young unemployed people with ILR. Then anyone on benefits. Then rolling out further.

He was asked by a journalist if benefits included pensions. He said, hahaha, I don't know why we're even paying any of them pensions anyway.

He said ILR would be revoked. He was asked about the legality of this. He said parliament is sovereign.

There was someone else answering questions as well, but I don't know who he was. I watched online.

There is now a lot of 'well that can't happen'. But he very strongly implied if he was elected he could do whatever he liked. He was also asked if he would revoke citizenship. He said he can't do that.

It was chilling.

Yes but not that "everyone will be deported" because it would be replaced by a new work visa scheme.

Hell yeah. Polish builders were fucking great on the whole. I recently did a lot of work on my house. My God, the arrogance, lack of communication, attempts to inflate costs and shoddy work of 80% of British workmen was shocking. I have family in some of the trades so I know what pride in work looks like, I’m not daft. And that’s if you can find anyone. Most left so much mess and acted like they were doing us a massive favour.
I know it’s a trope to sneer at middle class Brits who loved to undercut decent British craftsmen by using cheap East European labour but we’re not middle class, my heritage is immigrant a couple of generations ago ( so I might be next on list) so it’s not that. My sister had Polish guys renovating her place years ago and they were incredibly efficient, polite and cleaned up after!

@MalinandGo unfortunately with the government spending £18,000 per capita this is the level at which it makes economic sense to let in a migrant. There are many countries who do this, it’s not remotely uncommon.

See above - not "everyone will be deported" because it will be replaced by a work visa scheme.

But then own it. The majority of people here on ILR would end up leaving under this new visa proposal so that needs saying. Not sophistry around this not being mass deportation under a cloak of respectability.

Those people working for less than 60k are keeping our country afloat.

Pensioners?

It’s not too bad. I studied a couple of evenings before doing the test. And you are allowed to make couple of mistakes I think..
However, some elderly people would struggle.
Also, I think, there is a language test tho I m not sure what level is required. People who studied in the UK are exempt tho. Native speakers, too (for obvious reason)

So 16 years later you still remember the story the cleaner told you about sending money home. It seems that it caused some resentment and many people felt like you, why?
How is that different from going on holidays abroad, or buying property in Spain?

Will not qualify for a work visa scheme.

Pensioners aren't everyone though and I was specifically questioning the statement that "everyone with ILR will be deported".

I can't see how Reform could possibly get away with deporting people retroactively and would expect this policy to get watered down in the years between now and when they could get elected so that it will end up only affecting new migrants coming to the UK. Hope so anyway! There would be a public outcry if Reform tried to deport people already living in the UK.

DH has just told me that two of his senior staff are now going to go for citizenship as a result of yesterday and questions on the test are flying around his team to see who can answer them. Most people have no idea. (I assume though that this would be remedied by sitting with the book and revising it - although the Wars of the Roses presumably remains a challenge!)

ETA both are professionals in an internationally recognised field. Many people in these roles do not earn over 60k.

‘Foreign workmanship’? You mean like silk weaving and clock making and stone masonry? The ‘foreign’ crafts and techniques that we still use today?

Presumably you’re posting from a British designed and made device, sitting on British furniture having eaten an entirely British breakfast?

I wouldn’t fail to oppose a party’s policies in the assumption that they would be watered down. Sounds dangerous to me.

from my understanding he is talking about deporting people who claim off the state so people who have ILR but are not net contributors and take more than they give back.

So basically you are saying ILRs need to build plans, get their kids into schools, buy houses on the basis of a fragile renewable visa? Oh and earn above £ 60 k, and often pay 40% tax.
The UK is not the UAE with 0 tax to make this kind of temporary integration attractive.

This is the problem when you are a single issue party and you need to replace that issue. Reform are not allowed to talk about B*** any more as Farage finds it a bit awks.

But they haven't got a scooby what to do about the economy so that leaves picking on minorities. This works as a displacement activity for their supporters who know B*** is a shit show and need to deflect their bitterness and rage onto someone or something else.

Like their hero Trump, they have learned how to generate headlines on a daily basis. But not how to govern a nation of seventy million people.

Not “some” — most. Let’s be honest: £60k is a lot of money. I know Mumsnet likes to pretend a “moderate” salary starts at £100k, but even in professional fields, with the highest possible qualifications, the £60k threshold is out of reach for the majority.

And as for the comforting idea that settled status holders will somehow be spared — I don’t buy it. Not for a second. Farage and his crowd will keep stirring shit up, because that’s what the want

I passed the test in July on my first try, as did my family. Get the book and practice online.
It's easy enough if you study for about 3 weeks. Though a couple of my British friends flunked.

Where would that public outcry come from? If these muppets were elected that would mean the they’d won the majority share of votes.

And what difference would it make? People marched against the Iraq war, people protest against the continued destruction of the planet, against genocide in Gaza. And yet…