Farage promises to deport people with ILR

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Nigel Farage stated he would deport anyone with existing indefinite leave to remain. We are talking about millions of people.
This terrifying. If people live here, work here, have kids and mortgages - where are they supposed to go?

Absolute rubbish and slanderous hyperbole. Reform do not want anyone to leave who pays in more than they take out, is law-abiding and happy to assimilate with and respect the indigenous culture of this land. Particularly Europeans with whom we share the heritage and values of the west with.

And you think all that is still being provided and hotel staff is there to provide it?

Really?

Maybe get yourself on one of those Farage Brexit Boats

Farage did say anyone under 60K should go.
I’m guessing this is the cut of between a leech and non leech

A couple in Leicestershire have been left heartbroken after their hotel wedding venue cancelled their big day, because it was 'acquisitioned for a Government contract'.
Steph Grant and her fiancee Tom Moulding believe their wedding was cancelled as the Quorn Country Hotel will be closed and instead be used to house asylum seekers.

Devastated couples had their weddings cancelled after the hotel they were using closed suddenly to house asylum seekers.
The Best Western Cresta Court Hotel in Altrincham - owned by a group chaired by former BBC director-general Greg Dyke - was shut to paying guests on Monday after being turned over to accommodate almost 300 migrants.

A couple's wedding has been cancelled by a hotel that is being used to house asylum seekers.
Lucie Campbell and Simon Pritchard booked their wedding for 10 December more than a year ago.
But they were left with just days to find a new venue after discovering the Aberconwy hotel is being used to ease overcrowding at Kent detention centres.
Ms Campbell, 28, of Towyn, Conwy, said she was in "disbelief" but has managed to reorganise their special day.
The hotel, which the BBC is not naming for safeguarding reasons, is providing short-term accommodation as part of a project that began last week.

Where did I say that they would still offer spa treatment? You’re being ridiculous. They still have to put sheets on the beds, staff the restaurant to feed the men and do the cleaning.

Quibbling that a previously advertised 4 hotel is no longer a 4 hotel because some services may have been withdrawn but replaced with things like free private health and dental care (yes, I’ve got evidence of that too before you dig further into your denial) is pretty desperate - honestly.

Oh dear - they actually do - just they spin a bit of apparent decency and fake common sense in.
What if someone falls ill? Not earning enough just in the time the reapplication is due?
What if their business isn’t doing that well suddenly?
What if your partner, kids, parents fall to needing care? And your earnings that year fall slightly below the required threshold.
Well, seems like it will be no visa, don’t pass go, and leave now. Whether they give appeal rights, 14/28 days to leave or something different is yet to be invented of course.
It’s not so easy to be assured nothing will ever impact your work, even temporarily. And what when you reach pension age?
Let alone the healthcare costs that will come in.

A few years back, a local hotel got sold by their owners and all staff was made redundant, weddings and other stays were cancelled.

It happens

It didn't become a asylum hotel, it jsut stood empty for a while

Try reading my post again. I clearly didn’t say that. 🙄

Just admit that they are being put into 4* hotels - the facts are out there. Pretending they are not just looks desperate.

As you can see in my post, I’ve taken profiteering people/companies into account. I think I’m fairly level headed and that’s why I get upset with many of the posts on here, and from both sides. In fact, I used to be quite a leftie, donating to charities helping asylum seekers & refugees. But the last couple of years have changed some of my thoughts & opinions. Seeing what is happening in poorer areas, like the one I grew up in, has shocked me.

This is the worst economic situation I can remember and I don’t see any way forward. I just feel despair. The extra 400k- 1m people, mostly earning minimum wage, that we’re adding year on year do use, mostly, state schools, the NHS etc. We need action on this, and action on the tax evaders. I don’t want to see us taken out of the ECHR, those are my rights too, but I don’t want to see judges letting criminals stay for crazy reasons just because they can, while appearing to not take into account community safety.

I firmly believe there must be better ways to reform the immigration situation. We shouldn’t need to resort to extremes, like adding a million people every year, to deporting millions. I do understand, though, why people are so bloody angry and looking for alternatives. No-one has been listening, especially to the poorer parts of society where the burden is heaviest.

And you really believe that some asylum seekers, being put up in buildings previously run as 4* hotels, have minibars and 24hr room service, are provided with high-quality bath products and linen, and that the management comes to turn down their sheets at night and leave a chocolate on the pillow? Apparently you do. Are you usually this gullible.

Hotels are privately owned businesses. If a hotel owner decides to sign a contract with government to house asylum seekers, and cancels wedding reception bookings already taken to do so, that's on the hotel owner, not the government or asylum seekers.

They are put in former 4* hotels

The amount of "spend" allowed in care/nursing homes varies with area ;-

• England: £30.65 per week
• Scotland: £35.90 per week
• Wales: £44.65 per week (in Wales it’s called Minimum Income Amount)
• Northern Ireland: £27.19 per week

People in care homes aren't all gaga or immobile, you know.

They may want to go on an outing/Christmas Meal/afternoon tea with relatives, buy wool for knitting/crocheting, buy presents for grandkids, buy toiletaries (these are not supplied by the home) top-ups for mobile 'phones etc etc.

And why not? They've worked all/most of their lives, some have fought for this country and they deserve it.

So? Hotels close for other reasons - obviously. That is not relevant here.

My post lists 3 separate hotels that cancelled weddings to house asylum seekers. One of them was a country house hotel as I originally claimed and PP didn’t believe.

So why not look to Greg Dyke - Tory mate - obviously he saw a chance to make more on asylum seekers than weddings from the Tory gov’t at the time?.
The hotel experience of asylum seekers compared to that of previous guests is far removed. The rooms will have been refitted for one to cram more in one. I’d ask Greg why he considered this best for business.
And free private healthcare - come on - angel care and basic health checks - maybe sourced to private, as NHS does this, or maybe another Tory mate scan. Not in the realm of what most consider as private healthcare.

But 18000? That’s just a snapshot of those who chose to take part. It doesn’t tell us anything other than 18000 people gave details about their lives. Maybe the others who didn’t take part were the opposite side of the spectrum? As I say, those that are uneducated are the ones to tell people who they are, and shout it from the rooftops. Others keep it to themselves. There may be many more who are educated and who vote reform, but just choose not to take part in these polls. That’s the unpredictability of it all. We just don’t know.

Umm - I was being sarcastic in response to the PP I was answering. But there will be truth in my Reform cash grab suggestion- to be clear I definitely wouldn’t agree with this, but not do I agree with hating asylum seekers for getting a tenner.

For enough money, of course I would.

OMG, read my post.

Aah, so now, because certain aspects of the service level offered by a hotel that has been advertised as 4 star up until its closure for use by asylum seekers are no longer available, you are claiming that asylum seekers are not being put into hotels??

Companies have profited massively from government contracts providing asylum accommodation, look up Serco, Mears, Clearsprings.

Blame the hotel owners for selling rather than refugees seeking safety.

He is so grostesque.

At least they have admitted it’s not just about illegal immigrants. Changing the rules for those on ILR is just barbaric.

I also see he wants to require migrants to give up a second nationality if applying for British citizenship.

I wonder if his kids will be allowed to keep their dual nationality….

My dogs ears are bleeding….

Anyway a lot of law abiding and hardworking immigrants happen to work in shortage key roles that just happen to be low paid.

What is the indigenous culture of the British Isles in your view? Because I see little attempt by Farage or his followers to respect the culture of Wales, or that of the Scottish Highlands or that of Cornwall - where it's most likely to be found.

As for the rest of your post...smacks very much of nonsense.

Exactly.

Following some rather bizarre assertions in responses to my posts I’m starting to conclude that there is much dishonesty exacerbated by a lack of reading comprehension.

Yes, it’s a snapshot. That’s how polling works. Not really feasible to ask tens of millions of people so the point is to select a statistically relevant sample and extrapolate from it.

The same methods of polling are also used to predict outcomes in constituencies and by political parties to target those who will vote for them. So while there can be outliers, it’s simply untrue to say ’we just don’t know’.

So you genuinely think that all the polls and surveys showing Remain voters has a higher average level of education are just all randomly selecting educated Remain voters?

It doesn't matter as soon as they closed their doors to the public they were no longer a hotel. I don't think women and children could survive the journey the men decided to take. They risked their lives for a better future for their family.