Farage promises to deport people with ILR

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Nigel Farage stated he would deport anyone with existing indefinite leave to remain. We are talking about millions of people.
This terrifying. If people live here, work here, have kids and mortgages - where are they supposed to go?

Stupid fucker.

I've lived in this country for 35 years - almost all of my adult life. Apart from a brief initial study period (which I paid the fees for) have worked and paid tax all that time. Never claimed benefits. Have a child here. Under these rules I'd be gone - back to the country I was born in but never worked in, and which isn't one of the ones in which a UK pension is increased yearly with inflation. Absolutely extraordinary.

First reaction is that it would be legally impossible. But then look at Trump's ability to just trample all over the law, and the way these populists specifically appeal to people by being simplistic in their promises to "cut red tape". People love it; it makes them feel like the government enacting what they want will be so much more powerful, so by extension it makes them feel powerful. It's also a big middle finger to all the technocrats and experts that they've been primed to hate and to blame. So it wouldn't surprise me at all if it happens.

Second reaction is that it might just be Farage's step too far. Most people probably know someone like me, that they think of as effectively "belonging" here, British in all but name, that they might not even be aware is on ILR rather than holding citizenship. At this point they might think "hang on..."

But then we've seen even on this site just how the racism and bigotry and hatred is snowballing. Just when you think you've seen its limit, it goes one step further. And it's uniquely impervious to reason so pretty much unstoppable. There'll probably be some vague statement about exemptions that will make them think "OK then, it won't happen to my nice white friend". Like Brexit, when they don't really know what the hell they're voting for. And then their nice white friend is out. And that'll probably be the woke left's fault.

So bigots: This is the point at which we stop worrying about your poor little hurt feelings and how you HAVE to get behind nice Mr Farage because he's the only one willing to save you. This is personal, and it wasn't me/us that chose to make it so. Your boss wants to destroy my life, and by supporting him so do you. I no longer give two shits what the government does to you or for you. My priority is to protect myself and my child from the effects of your profound stupidity.

Fuck you.

Just one of the people in the UK with immigrant background. We want many out to keep British values. Might as well go scorch earth, no?

I had a meeting today at work on a project that is about signifcantly improving key parts of our infrastructure, especially in underserved places.

If we lost people with settled status and ILR I would lose about about a third of the team and the country would lose a good amount of very highly skilled and well paid professionals.

@dropoutin
Very well said. Absolutely agree and feel the same. My parents were both immigrants who came here as children, worked from age 16, paid taxes and never claimed benefits. My dad never had citizenship and at Brexit I had to get him leave to remain. I’m glad he’s not alive to see this absolute shit show because he’d be on Farage’s list.

Are the Battenbergs and Saxe-Coburg Gothas living on the largest benefits in the biggest tax payer palaces hotels in the country deportable? Am sure they Duchy of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha would love their royals back. Or do they get a pass because they wave so beautifully? I mean, that's skilled migrants right there

That hasn't answered the question, has it?

British values, my arse.

Speaking as a Brit with family going back well into the mists of time, I'd like to say that if what Farage represents is British values, then not only do I not expect immigrants to adopt them, I want the fuck rid of them myself.

And before anyone says 'if you don't like it, leave the country', I'll just stress that I am as British as shepherd's pie, and my values are solidly British, and completely at odds with Reform's. If leaving the country is their solution to being out of step with local values, maybe they should fuck off to Alabama.

No it wouldn't break the Brexit deal because Reform are not proposing to scrap European Settled Status, which grants the same rights as ILR for EU citizens to claim benefits.

The proposed changes to Indefinite Leave to Remain would only non-EU citizens, because of the Brexit withdrawal agreement.

With IRL, there's no requirement to take citizenship. It's an option. It's not a requirement.

WT! - I was in the counter match - personally think ‘this is probably what a Dante’s circle of hell looks like’ would have been more apt.
That’s a bit facetious- honestly there are few who agree with Hopkins, she’s a vile, vile woman, who says vile, vile things and that’s why she got on that vile, funded March - but I still do believe there are more decent folk than not, just we are quieter and less organised right now.
But having said that these are worrying times - not least when people choose to ignore, disseminate, avoid - but maybe it’s just too scary a thought.
Take care.

Thicko. You think the illegals are criminals? The criminals are in the RF and the government

Yes I haven’t said otherwise. If you follow the conversation it’s about using the term deportation correctly.

So, he is just singling out non-EU immigrants?

I wonder why 🤔

I’m finding the whole situation deeply depressing and upsetting.

When people try to justify their support for this rhetoric by saying it’s not bigotry, racism and otherism - it’s a load of nonsense - of course it is and it’s becoming more explicitly so everyday. My local FB community page is full of vitriol.

I’m a British born but my parents were immigrants and naturalised. My husband has EU settled status and we have children.

I have never felt so unwanted in what I see as my home and my country. Undoubtedly, “dual citizens” will be targeted next (they of course won’t use the word British citizens - othering is easy with a twist of words).

For those who support this vile movement, there will be a day when they’ll target you too - maybe you’re too old, disabled, sick, gay, wrong political view (don’t forget he wants to do away with our human rights (but protect free speech - make it make sense))…..and you’ll be alone….its all fine until you are the target .

Depressingly, I don’t see how Reform won’t get elected - the electorate is too divided at the moment when it comes the other parties.

No but it's throwing a very lard crust indeed to the gammons.

My DM is a pensioner. Shes eighty nine and didnt retire till Christmas twenty fifteen. Worked in the food industry in factories FULL TIME Shes also Italian I cant see this happening but if it does there will be LOTS of publicity I will make sure of it.

Im in North Essex but i remember this....
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-46836957

I apologise. I didn't mean to appear to argue with you. I was attempting to clarify. But, yeah, it read a bit...bolshy.

This thread has raised my bolsh level.

Would he also deport his French born girlfriend and German ex wife? Or just brown & black people as they don't fit in with his particular image of acceptable immigrants?

I'd also like to know how he's planning to plug the gap in higher tax & NI contributions made by the a large percentage of the people he's planning to deport? Most of the immigrants that I know are higher tax payers & I doubt that many of Farage's & Tommy Rs followers are higher tax payers. So, he'll have to plug the gap by raising the taxes & cutting the benefits of his loyal followers.....

That shows the "it's the only way to cut the massive benefit bill" whine up for the lie it is then. Since 70% of non-UK/Ireland UC claims are by EU nationals.

So, it is all about skin colour, despite Farage's limp protestations.

I don't want him anywhere near a Govt. Once the door is open his less public facing friends will have access.

He has since backtracked and said he didn’t mean people with settled status . Off course it still a lit if people . I doubt this could be achieved , he is so stupid he doesn’t even understand the implications of the rubbish he is claiming

It’s astonishing to me, when people trot out the phrase “ unskilled migrants” .
What does it mean? No degree? Earning under a certain amount? Who decides what is skilled and what is not?
Does the senior HR consultant have greater skill than the hospital porter? Good hospital porters have added more to the quality of my life, personally.
My husband ( EU migrant) has no qualifications due to having to work from being a teen. He’s worked so hard all his life, weekends, shifts, holidays. Never complained. His job is paid well under 60k but he improves the lives of many through his work and is very good at it. Who decides this criteria?

He knows. Like Trump he throws this stuff out there to attract the headlines eg Mexico paying for a wall. Then they go quiet but the idea is out there.

Whereas I'm amazed at the number of ill-informed muppets who are stridently against "something" that is a complete myth, all because they read it in the Daily Fail. They could of course look up the facts before commenting. Maybe that's too much like hard work.