Farage promises to deport people with ILR

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Nigel Farage stated he would deport anyone with existing indefinite leave to remain. We are talking about millions of people.
This terrifying. If people live here, work here, have kids and mortgages - where are they supposed to go?

In his dreams, it will never happen.

I would fail on the earnings not even close to 60k

How much is it going to save the UK?

How far should we go back in defining someone as an immigrant who can be deported? Would Boris Johnson count as deportable immigrant. I mean he is technically Boris Kemal of Turkey! Deport him (Turkey might deport him back though)

So no one is allowed to need to turn to benefits at any point in their life without fearing deportation? I think people have lost all sense of the purpose of the welfare state. It's a safety net. It catches us when life goes against us. Almost all of us might need it at some point and for many of us it just needs some bad luck.

Besides that, the plans would remove anyone not earning over 60K, so it's not only those claiming any sort of benefit (even the in-work ones, even carer's allowance) but anyone not earning one of the small number of jobs in the UK that pays that much.

There was a time, and I'm not quite sure when it changed, where if you took British Citizenship you automatically lost your US citizenship. It was for this reason many US immigrants to the UK didn't apply for UK citizenship. However, think this has changed now.

It is very expensive too, so with cost of living possibly falls downs people's list unless they want to vote, which not everyone is bothered with (given the uninspiring offerings). However I'm sure now Farage has said this there'll be a rush to apply.

I don't really understand the logic of 'oh there are too many criminal ILLEGAL immigrants, lets make it even harder to become a LEGAL immigrant'? People who have ILR have gone the legal route. Surely you're going to dissuade exactly the people you want (law abiding, often working in skilled jobs) whilst doing nothing about the actual problem?

Seems bonkers.

Given that it’s 48% of all social housing in London, which is what OP was discussing, I’m not sure I’d quibble over that 2%. If somebody can’t be bothered to actually read the words written and jumps to the wrong conclusion (yes, we’ve all done it), then that’s their problem.

While he is indeed a loon, other loons fall for his shite, which makes him a dangerous loon imo.

It's bizarre to me that anyone earning less than £60k would object to this policy. Immigration is wage suppression, so removing supply directly will impact wages.

Oh wait I remembered the UK is a centrally planned socialist state where every function has to be provided by the state, is guaranteed as a statutory right and paid for forcibly by taxpayers with no price mechanism, so wage suppression is good actually.

Carry on everyone...

I said this to DH this morning. And that would be me. He said that was ridiculous because I’m British but I’m not sure it is ridiculous. It’s the next logical step in making Britain white again. I keep thinking of what Katie Hopkins said at the rally. She said ‘this is what London should look like every day’ I took that to mean the sea of only white faces and it made me feel sick.

I read somewhere official that to be a net contributor you have to pay £17,000 per person in tax, for your whole household. So many people in this country do not meet that threshold. Or is the Government just spending really badly?
At least, the Bank of England seemed to have realised last week that the extreme quantative tightening that we have been doing relative to the Fed and ECB put us out of sync. Not that many experts were not highlighting this for ages!
This country is badly managed. It starts at the top. Messing around with immigration rules isn’t going to fix it nor are the various turkey groups voting for Christmas. We already had Brexit, the proof is in the pudding.
I am more interested in how they are going to turn the slowly sinking ship around, would require real leadership and some ingenuity and big decisions.

Out of interest, which countries can UK citizens relocate to and expect benefits?

It’s a dog whistle that the usual suspects will fall for.

We need to educate better in this country, if you have an ounce of intelligence you’d know, based on previous behaviour that the man is a dishonest, nasty bastard.

What Boris got to do this?

May not be unbiased (no paper is) but it's still a direct quote from Farage which was the actual point of my post. Unless you think they made up a direct quote?

It's not the 2% that concerned me. I felt the need to point out that nationally the figure is not 48% or 50%. Or anywhere near that. Local variances are not the full picture. The poster was wondering about housing policies so surely the wider picture is a more helpful thing to discuss. In 2024 in response to press queries the Government made it clear that 90% of social housing goes to UK nationals with local authorities applying local connection tests.

It's depressing that this is politics now (with a small mention for Kemi B who I like and seems to actually bother to understand deeper issues - but is despised by the media for exactly this reason hence gets terrible press - the grooming gangs issue being case in point).

It's all about the headlines, no substance.

Virtually everyone who votes bar a small minority will understand that 'immigration' isn't the problem, it's more complex, it's uncontrolled illegal immigration. Especially lots of young men who think they're free to just sexually assault British girls at will (for which crime they'd almost certainly be killed in their own country if it wasn't a child who was their own wife - yes child marriage is abhorrent, no this doesn't mean men from those countries think attacking girls they're not married to is ok because it's not ok in their home country, they just think they won't be punished here).

What we need is controlled legal immigration that is balanced. This worked for years.

It's depressing all these people just act as if voters are dim. We're not. We see through the media lies and the soundbites. We desperately need leadership that will grapple with real issues based on evidence not magical thinking.

Well, as a start, Spain. Although I suspect that might change if people with Settled Status saw their rights removed. That was one google so I suspect more to be found by someone with time.

I’m confused. Spending on who?

I'm really disappointed in Zia, he is a man who speaks a lot of sense but this I can not abide.

Probably best not to tell a complete stranger what they do or don't have any idea about.

Benefits can be claimed by anyone who is entitled to claim them. If an individual is entitled they have a right to claim. And those currently crowing most loudly about "immigrants" should perhaps have a little think about what they're going to do when their right to claim is questioned and when they're told their low-income job means they have a lesser or no right.

They might also want to ponder on why - despite having free access to good education for at least 10 years, often much longer, they're so happy to accept obvious lies unquestioningly.

I'd actually like to see Farage in power, and not being able to put all his promises and policies into action.

I earn less than 60k and object to this policy.
For a start, removing immigrants is not going to increase the wages of retail assistants, fast food workers, childcare assistants to 60k. If it did, then they would need to pay managers double that. No money would be saved.

For seconds, I have friends who are immigrants. They have jobs and families and while they might not earn 60k (they might, I'm not sure) they are integrated into the fabric of the country with British spouses and children. Only a complete arse would want to tear families apart.

For thirds, I realise that immigrants do lots of jobs that British citizens are not doing. And younger people working are needed as more people retire.

Do you know of any countries with no immigration that pay their low-skilled workers those kinds of salaries?

Just when you think he can't be a bigger cnut.

He really is an absolute wanker.