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Acidburn · 2025-09-22T11:21:34+00:00

Posting in AIBU for traffic. Nigel Farage stated he would deport anyone with existing indefinite leave to remain. We are talking about millions of people. This terrifying. If people live here, work here, have kids and mortgages - where are they supposed to go?

SleeplessInWherever · 22/09/2025 16:37

Smilingintherain · 22/09/2025 16:35

Caring roles will become more attractive as the pay will be higher. Plus benefits will be slashed thus also encouraging people to take jobs.

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We pay £16 an hour for that role now.

Birdy1982 · 22/09/2025 16:39

PML
& he will also save £230 billion
On the basis that the legal system will just give a thumbs up to the good man & wave it through
Implementation will be instant and also free on the basis they have the architectural plans for the Great Wall of Mexico

Sadly there are those that will just go with the headline 🤷‍♀️

Yes - immigration system is fundamentally flawed and broken beyond belief but it isn’t solved by the Queen of Hearts shrieking off with their heads

BadgesforBadgers · 22/09/2025 16:40

Longingdreamer · 22/09/2025 12:58

This is complete misinformation. There isn't a threat to deport people with ILR, but to limit access to benefits to immigrants. This would be by increasing residency requirements for citizenship. There would also be minimum income requirements to ensure people can support themselves.

Massively incorrect, and you've twisted his ridiculous, unworkable , racist policy into ' them immigrants are taking our benefits' .

That's a completely different unworkable and unethical policy. If we have given people a residency status here they should be able to claim benefits just as other residents can.

Honestly, it really pisses me off that some people just don't care about this charlatans dog whistle racism.

whatistheworld · 22/09/2025 16:41

BeHappySloth · 22/09/2025 12:37

The immediate impact of this will be that we will probably lose a lot of highly skilled migrants that we desperately need, because people with options just won't want to take the risk.

He is a vile, hateful man with no moral compass whatsoever. It is terrifying to think that he may be our next PM.

exactly this!!! and people are blinding sleepwalking into voting for the man. They moan now but there will a hundred times more things to moan about with reform in charge!

SuffolkSun · 22/09/2025 16:44

OneAmberFinch · 22/09/2025 15:57

I'm an immigrant who does not yet have ILR and it's blatantly obvious to me that the current ILR system needs to be reformed.

Brits have no idea how conditions are in non-warzone but economically-struggling countries. It boggles my mind when I see "why would anyone bother moving countries for 5 years just to then get to live off benefits? Benefit life is terrible".

There are people in my home country who live in shanty towns made out of sticks and supermarket plastic bags. Why are you asking such stupid questions.

High income high skilled immigrants who can support themselves don't mind if the barrier to access benefits is significantly increased. We would like a few things, like grace periods to find jobs instead of being kicked out immediately, perhaps linked to amount of tax paid to date - since senior job recruitment can take months - but that's all.

Non UK/Ireland nationals in the UK CANNOT claim benefits unless they have been legally resident for at least five years. Are you seriously suggesting that someone from a shanty town (and yes, I have seen many, in fact I worked in one, despite being "a Brit") is going to go through the hoops needed to secure a job and a visa, come to the UK, work for five years - and then jack the job in to "live on" a significantly lesser amount of money?

If you're really a high earner, why are you at all concerned about the conditions around claiming benefits? And I'm sure you would like to be given special consideration once you lose your high-paying job - but, you know, Brit raso-nationalists don't see any difference between "them" and you, regardless of how much you earn.

whatistheworld · 22/09/2025 16:45

LactoseTolerant · 22/09/2025 15:15

Yup..I am a citizen. Well, actually I have dual citizenship of the UK and an EU country

I applied for my British citizenship after brexit because I was worried about exactly this scenario. I didn't want to have to potentially uproot my British husband and dc if I got kicked out after having lived here for more than 20 years.

So I won't be affected by this particular policy but as I said in my previous post all this rhetoric is shifting British politics to the right and normalising racism and xenophobia. And who knows what's coming next? Different rules for British born and naturalised citizens? My kids being treated as second class citizens as society turns even more racist? And how much more shit do you think can the economy afford to be? And it will be more shit if the uk continues to become more and more unattractive to immigrants. Whatever moral reasons there may be to reject racism and xenophobia I think it's pretty undisputed that immigration is good for the economy. Well actually immigration is necessary for a thriving economy.

So dh and me are actually planning our exit. It's a pity. As I said I have been here for 2 decades and the uk has become home. But once your home becomes abusive you have to leave. At least while you still can leave.

And for those of you who are shaking your head about comparisons to the third reich: you obviously don't have a good grasp of history.

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funnily enough Farage said EU citizens will be exempt, wonder why?? because he has a Belgian passport of course and his kids have German passports!

I am very sorry you are thinking of leaving, unfortunately the idiots that voted for Brexit took my right to move to the EU away (I know still possible but lots of hoops now)

Why any one votes for or supports Farage is beyond me.
Those in mobility scooters at his events and pensioners will be hardest hit with the introduction of private health insurance, especially when health conditions raise the premiums.

RustyBear · 22/09/2025 16:46

Friendlygingercat · 22/09/2025 12:40

In the past too many people have been allowed in and granted British passports and citizenship. Many of these people are not net contributers because they bring in unproductive dependents who are using schools, the health service, housing and so on. They should only have been allowed in as single guest workers and with all the restrictions on use of facilities that that implies. There are now too many people in this country. When I was a child in the 1950s our population was around 50 million. Now its appriaching 70 million many of whom are not economically active.

50 million to 70 million is a 40% increase. But since the 50s the world population has increased from around 2.5 billion to over 8 billion - a 220% increase.

MrsDoubtfire1 · 22/09/2025 16:46

Nigel Farage is a pond skater. He has a habit of popping up where there is a drama. He loves the limelight. Can we seriously expect him to be a good and solid prime minister? He will disappear down a rabbit hole before you can say: Hey Presto!

Smilingintherain · 22/09/2025 16:47

whatistheworld · 22/09/2025 16:41

exactly this!!! and people are blinding sleepwalking into voting for the man. They moan now but there will a hundred times more things to moan about with reform in charge!

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Highly skilled , highly paid immigrants and non-immigrants are already leaving the country. They are not waiting for the next election.

This policy is encouraging low paid, non contributors and claimants to leave.
It is driven by finances not race.

Wallaw1 · 22/09/2025 16:47

usernamealreadytaken · 22/09/2025 14:53

A very small number of high earning immigrants are net contributors, but the vast majority are not. Perhaps we should ask the higher earning immigrants if they are happy to directly support all the net recipients, as they are a homogeneous group in your eyes?

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Well, as one of the group, I'd certainly rather it went to them than to any of the Yaxley-Lennon mob that clogged the streets of my (adopted) city recently.

AzurePanda · 22/09/2025 16:48

@SuffolkSun it is incorrect to say that non UK / Ireland nationals can’t claim any benefits unless they’ve been legally resident in the UK for at least 5 years.

PermanentTemporary · 22/09/2025 16:48

‘Unproductive dependants’. Again, not something I expected to read on MUMSNET for crying out loud.

BlazenWeights · 22/09/2025 16:48

HelpMeUnpickThis · 22/09/2025 12:46

@Friendlygingercat

Did you read my post?

There should be a way to differentiate between non contributors and contributors.

What about the British people who are not contributors? Let’s have a chat about that. But you dont want to and you wont.

Most visa categories for skilled migrant visas have loads of restrictions about access to benefits etc.

Why don’t you focus on the numbers of British born people who dont work when they can? If you did it would be a little less racist.

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Did you not know that being born here gives you certain rights and places you higher on the scale of what rights you have or don’t have. Just being born here from maybe a few generations is the winner medal here. You don’t really need to be a contributor to anything .

Digdongdoo · 22/09/2025 16:51

Smilingintherain · 22/09/2025 16:35

Caring roles will become more attractive as the pay will be higher. Plus benefits will be slashed thus also encouraging people to take jobs.

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I think that's wishful thinking. Pay can only go up so far before it becomes unaffordable. And I think it would have to go up a hell of a lot to be attractive to enough Brits.

dottiehens · 22/09/2025 16:51

Well this country is really fucked between this Reform party and Labour and everything in between like awful Corbyn.

HelpMeUnpickThis · 22/09/2025 16:52

BlazenWeights · 22/09/2025 16:48

Did you not know that being born here gives you certain rights and places you higher on the scale of what rights you have or don’t have. Just being born here from maybe a few generations is the winner medal here. You don’t really need to be a contributor to anything .

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@BlazenWeights

Except that I came here as a skilled migrant in a shortage occupation at a time that “you” born here were desperate for my skills, qualifications and experience.

What job do you do @BlazenWeights ?

usernamealreadytaken · 22/09/2025 16:53

Orangepate · 22/09/2025 16:00

Because we English instantly learn other languages when we move abroad!

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If we don’t, do we have to pay for our own interpreters?

MalinandGo · 22/09/2025 16:54

usernamealreadytaken · 22/09/2025 15:26

I think your interpretation of the figures is incorrect, as you are assuming his savings figures come from existing individuals with ILR. The £400bn figure which Reform quoted as saving from this scheme relates to long term savings for the future 800,000 (potentially as many as 1.2 mn) people who are due to be eligible for ILR in the next couple of years.

Current savings for the 2.7% of claimants (approx 200,000 people) with ILR would be a couple of billion per year (just on their UC costs, disregarding other direct or indirect benefits); add in the potential of another million people every year, and then factor in long term health, education and other costs, and the figures don't look so outrageous.

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I was replying to your specific comment

One in six UC claimants is foreign born. 15% of our UC bill potentially saved in one fell swoop. Do you think these claimants came here entirely altruistically, just for the nice weather?

15% of UC claimants would not fall under the auspices of this scheme as currently set out - that's why I set out how the overseas UC claimants break down. Also I suspect the number of 'foreign born' UC claimants is actually much higher because of naturalised pensioners.

You'd also need to assess the cost of the new systems required to administer the scheme, the staff required etc. I suspect the 2bn would disappear very quickly indeed, so it would probably be quite a few years before the new approach saved anything at all.

We've moved quite quickly from the sunlit uplands of just chopping 15% off the UC bill to something quite a bit less impressive.

Allisnotlost1 · 22/09/2025 16:55

Smilingintherain · 22/09/2025 16:30

I heard carer salaries would increase. There would still be carers just not state funded ones.

Carers can still apply now before anything is law

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You ‘heard’?

Why would they increase? The reason they are so low is a combination of factors, of which immigration is one small part. The people who do those jobs are earning the legal minimum wage (and if they’re not there are ways to prosecute the employer, though not always enforced of course). The reason 1in 6 UC claimants is foreign born is because these are the people doing low paid work at a rate our government sets, while also receiving top up benefits because the same government recognises that the wages earned are insufficient to live on.

And if those wages were earned by British nationals, they’d be entitled to the same UC claims.

Jsokev · 22/09/2025 16:56

This is heartbreaking for me. I am married to a wonderful man who has been in the UK with me on a spouse visa for a year. We want to make our lives here as I care for my aged mother (as well as having a job in the NHS). He works as a teaching assistant. He would never want to claim public funds. He contributes so much to the UK, as well as working he does free football coaching for local children, volunteers at a local community organisation and is active in our church.
If they remove ILR and raise the salary threshold to stay in the UK, we are screwed.
All we want is to be able to live together and make a life together.

SmudgeButt · 22/09/2025 16:56

Worded the way it was on the news this morning it sounded like anyone with ILR might get the boot out. Well I've had ILR for nearly 40 years. I've not applied for British citizenship but supposedly would get that rubber stamped. So I'm not overly worried for myself.

But what Farage might not think about (assuming he actually can think) is that a large portion of those with ILR also have the right to vote and if that section of the population is threatened with deportation they might very well find a different party to vote for.

Onegingerhead · 22/09/2025 16:58

EasternStandard · 22/09/2025 13:54

I forgot about Labour’s plan on that, which is a long time. Although the people you’ve listed are more likely to be over the threshold.

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I can most definitely assure you that engineers and scientists alike can be on less than 60K.
Significantly less.

CurlewKate · 22/09/2025 16:59

My parents were granted ILR in t he early 1950s and had it til they died in the 1990s…..

MalinandGo · 22/09/2025 16:59

usernamealreadytaken · 22/09/2025 15:08

OP specifically said “some areas of London”.

Data from the 2021 census suggests this figure may refer to just one small area of London. The census records people who describe themselves as being ‘born outside of the UK’ (rather than ‘foreign nationals’). Although 76% of ‘household reference people’ in a small area of Ealing living in social housing said they were born outside the UK, the figure for London as a whole was much smaller, at just under 48%.
In total, 376,754 ‘household reference people’ who lived in social housing (either through a local council or housing association) in London said they were born outside the UK, compared to 414,205 who were born in the UK. A household reference person is a term used in the census to refer to a person who serves as a reference point to characterise a whole household (which can be one person living alone, or multiple people living together).
Some London boroughs have higher percentages than this. The Office for National Statistics (ONS) said, when broken down by local authority, Brent has the highest percentage of people living in social housing who were born abroad, at 61%. Westminster and Haringey were also around 60%.

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I didn't miss that comment at all. Without knowing which part of London I couldn't look at the full figures but undoubtedly there will be areas with a different ethnic/national mix to the national average. However, it's really helpful to look at the whole picture, don't you think? Otherwise it might give the impression that 50% of ALL social housing tenancies were going to people from outside the UK and that would be misleading.

Especially of course as we don't have a context for people who were 'born outside the UK' so we could easily be looking at people who have been living here and contributing for 40 years or more rather people who arrived in the past few years.

BrisPerm · 22/09/2025 17:00

He didn’t say this at all. He said they will deport those who are not contributing and living off benefits - and I agree with him.

Those who contribute will be welcome