Farage promises to deport people with ILR

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Nigel Farage stated he would deport anyone with existing indefinite leave to remain. We are talking about millions of people.
This terrifying. If people live here, work here, have kids and mortgages - where are they supposed to go?

I have ILR and have done for more than 10 years. I do think that they should tighten the ILR rules ( and they have so that’s good) in a lot of countries , getting permanent residency is much more difficult than it is here, and once you have ILr u do get access to the public purse via benefits etc so it makes sense they raised the bar to 10y residency before being eligible .

this deporting rubbish sends a real shiver of fear down my back though :( very worrying

Legal migrants from non EU countrys have NO recourse to public funds - no benefits/no taxfree childcare/no additionals. They also have to pay NHS fees per person in the thousands and visa charges. This only changes when they get ILR.

I have no idea what Farage is on about, as usual it's a load of uncorroborated waffle swallowed by those who are all to willing to agree that the immigrant (legal or illegal - because they don't look like them) is the cause of all their problems.

Some people don't have a spare couple of grand knocking around. Some people don't want to have to renounce their original citizenship. Some people just haven't been in the UK for long enough to be eligible to apply.

Why should they not be entitled to respect for their family life? Why should their British children not be entitled to stability, knowing that their parents both have the right to be in the UK and won't be kicked out at a moment's notice?

I guess people believe what they want to hear, rather than the truth. It frightens me too

A fact from where?

And how much would removing 1/6 raise? Remember many people on UC are in work and pay tax.

Around 38% (2023 figure) people on universal credit work, so if you want to remove them, you would have to find British people to do those jobs and claim universal credit. So not a lot of saving there.
Most people have to be here for five years to claim UC and of course, illegal immigrants don't receive it.

Thinking you'd like to remove people with established lives who could have worked for years in the UK is a really grotty train of thought.

Indeed they can, they can also pay tax.

So, about those numbers?

The BBC is currently rightly being criticized for the disproportionate amount of air time they are giving Farage and his kind, without any opposing contributors. This was how Farage won the Brexit referendum - he was allowed to spout his nonsense all over the BBC and nobody who thought staying in the EU was a good thing was offered an opportunity to discuss it with him. I still don’t understand how he and the Beeb got away with it, but I’m been quietly boycotting the BBC since 2016 (their coverage of Trump was extreme, too, but at least it would have had no effect on the average US voter!).

No kids, just worked continuously and paid off my mortgage at 40, have been to gp maybe 8 times max

The left have so much influence and control over the U.K. that people seem to think it’s immoral to deport a young man who comes here illegally and then lives by crime or benefit fraud. I have seen people described as ‘far-right’ for wanting a rapist deported!! It’s insane.

@Dappy777

The left have been in power for only 14 of the past 45 years, whereas the right have been in power for 31 years. Because of that the right have implemented more laws and controlled the direction of education, housing policy, financial policy, health policy than the left.

The right own five of the major daily newspapers, including the one with the biggest circulation and most visited online presence, the left have two.

The right have control of our only national broadcaster with the board having being stuffed to the rafters with Tory donors and have their own dedicated TV channel.

The right have a much more powerful and homogenous social media ownership than the left. There is no-one on the left that has the same reach and influence as key right wing commentators.

The right have more billionaires who have a outsized influence on our politics through lobbying.

So without resorting to the argument that the Conservative party from Thatcher onwards were actually left leaning, when what you mean is they were not right wing enough for you, please enlighten us to how exactly the left have influence and control.

I know what ILR means thank you as my hubby used to have ILR before he applied for citizenship so pipe down with your ridiculous accusations of me just reading the daily mail!!
What I’m saying is the biometric residence permit expired - you know the card they give you, was only valid for 10 years then you had to reapply for a new one before the last one expired. That doesn’t mean that you aren’t allowed to stay in the UK anymore.
A pp has now said that the government has changed this so that you now no longer need to apply to renew it after a 10 year period. Please get your facts correct about what I’m saying before jumping to conclusions about what I know and don’t know.

Yes, perfectly put. DH and I both came here as city lawyers. We're now citizens, but spent many years putting a shocking amount into the HMRC coffers with settled status, and were happy to do so because we believed it was a great place to live and raise a family. Then came Brexit, which was disheartening, and now this kind of rhetoric. I doubt we'd make the choice to come here now and we have very much been net contributors.

And, interestingly, we didn't come from the UK, and our ilr papers, as I recall, said, No Recourse to Public Funds.

These potential new rules will be designed to no longer encourage low skilled people to come to the UK.

If you are still keen to stay you would save up?
Many countries expect you to jump through hoops if you want to emigrate there. It is not ground breaking .

I wouldn't procrastinate if that is you.

You seem to be completely unaware that enforced (deportation) and voluntary returns of people lacking visas, offender returns and failed asylum claim returns have all increased, substantially, in the past year. How odd you didn't check before posting.

So, your view that "the establishment will block and frustrate any efforts to deport people. It just won’t happen" is provably untrue.

"The left have [sic] so much influence and control over the U.K." Bless.

Well all I can say is it will serve you right if you're no longer capable of wiping your own arse when you're 95 and there are not enough "low skilled people" around to do it for you.

And no, that is "not me". I'm literally the opposite of that person. I'm the highly skilled, highly paid British person who has voted with their feet and gone to live elsewhere.

Are you going to do these low skilled jobs?

I heard carer salaries would increase. There would still be carers just not state funded ones.

Carers can still apply now before anything is law

Earning the national average wage does not make you a net contributor. The overall fiscal impact on GPD is positive overall, but negative per capita.

However, OBR noted in an earlier analysis, from 2013, that over an even longer time horizon these migrants would also retire and add to age-related spending pressures. It concluded that “higher migration could be seen as delaying some of the fiscal challenges of an ageing population rather than a way of resolving them permanently”. Basically, the lower government borrowing is just deferred, so our children and grandchildren will be subject to higher borrowing instead.

“Despite differences in methods, some key points emerge consistently across these studies. First, in all cases the impacts were found to be less than +1% or -1% of GDP. Second, recent migrants made a more positive impact than those who had been in the UK for longer.”

https://cep.lse.ac.uk/pubs/download/cp651.pdf
https://blogs.deloitte.co.uk/mondaybriefing/2024/12/in-praise-of-gdp-per-capita.html

Farage will tell the suckers robots will wipe their arses and they will believe it. It is what it is. All anyone can do is be prepared and vote for whichever party will most likely defeat Reform.

1. It is made up shite that won't happen
2. I don't know why this would even appeal to the most steadfast racists out there
3. It is made up shite that won't happen and our media could be a lot more clear on that

I work in education recruitment services, and have a special needs child. Our son has respite, staffed at least in part by migrants.

In one specialist school I currently have 7 personal care staff, all migrants. One school.

Believe me, I’m not withholding those jobs from the British unemployed. They don’t want it. They don’t apply, they won’t take it when offered, they’d rather sit at home.

It may be low skilled, but it’s absolutely necessary, and there will be vulnerable adults and children worse off because some of you don’t like “strangers.”

Where are you that carers for the elderly isn’t facing issues?

Why does anyone care what Farage says? The idiot will never be PM, honestly why are we giving this idiot any bloody airtime.

@Dappy777

Highest immigration was in 2023 overseen by that well known lefty Boris Johnson.

Boriswave was a result of that leftist Farage's Brexit.

Caring roles will become more attractive as the pay will be higher. Plus benefits will be slashed thus also encouraging people to take jobs.