Farage promises to deport people with ILR

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Nigel Farage stated he would deport anyone with existing indefinite leave to remain. We are talking about millions of people.
This terrifying. If people live here, work here, have kids and mortgages - where are they supposed to go?

A very small number of high earning immigrants are net contributors, but the vast majority are not. Perhaps we should ask the higher earning immigrants if they are happy to directly support all the net recipients, as they are a homogeneous group in your eyes?

The amount of Brits sat on benefits is an issue because there's a recruitment crisis, a major care worker shortage and we can't get by without foreign labour and still need more to fill all the low and unskilled vacancies.

£60k
Wondering if that's before or after tax? Many teachers and nurses earn below that. Junior doctors, too.

It’s on the BBC website.

Or the Windrush generation who have the right to be here but not necessarily the paperwork as it was all done so long ago. The last government tried it on with them.

But then why would these highly skilled, in demand, workers want to come here when we treat them like shit, make it more difficult for them to settle down, have the security of a home and a job, and raise families, and treat them like second class citizens? These people have global options. What’s the incentive for them to come here?

If you call them benefit tourists, you must be racist according to some. But then to some your racist if you don't let illegal immigrants sleep on your couch. It is not racist to think the number of people coming to a country needs to be controlled. But some people just think using the term is like a winning card in any argument, only "trumped" by getting the some reference to the Nazis in.

Yes I can see why people are feeling annoyed when the rules change. That’s different to using the wrong terminology.

If people can get citizenship then that seems wise, although some have said no way below.

Immigration is controlled, the UK has a point based visa system

Yes but this isn't America, the legal system here is slightly better. Not perfect, but better.

Our parliament and house of lords won't immediately bow down to every policy a prime minister tries to put through.

So it's not that I don't believe that Farage won't try to "do it". It's more that I have more faith in the British courts to uphold laws, human rights etc.

What is his reasoning for it not affecting EU citizens? Did he give one? We know the reason, but I'm curious if he made up some bs.

Im guessing he’s still not renounced his EU citizenship?

The way this country is going he will be actually beginning people to want to come here and work. Lots of people with settled status either left or are planning to go.

I would guess it's because EU citizens who moved to the UK before the end of 2020 are protected under the withdrawal agreement.

Where has he said he’s going to cancel ALL visa schemes? Obviously, where the government have identified a need for certain types of workers, they can issue visas.

What he is trying to stop is people coming here and not being able to get tax paying employment. They need to go elsewhere.

That's what really at the heart of why some many people are anti-reform. They dress it up, but really they worry that their benefits will be stopped and they'll have to do one of the jobs that they are quite happy to let immigrants do. There is absolutely no reason why we should need to import labour to clean hospitals or pick veg. The reform policy of stopping benefits after three job offers will massively reduce the need for importing labour.

The “I” in ILR stands for “Indefinite”, not 5/7 years. That’s what LLR is for..Limited Leave to Remain, ie, not forever. Pulling someone’s ILR status is nuts.

This would also effect EU citizens with right to remain, wouldn’t it? Since right to remain is essentially the same as ILR?

I think the point is that Farage thinks he does not have to give a settlement route with the ability to work in the UK. These people will still support the UK tax take but with no ability to use public services and a high degree of control can be given on these visas.

There are other countries with similar arrangements. Switzerland would be one.

My husband has ILR. Brexit really knocked him for six, as after nearly 20 years here he felt unwelcome. He’s paid tax the whole time, never claimed a thing, and does a valuable job.
If they make him jump thru more hoops, or actually even in Reform get in, he said they can go fuck themselves and were going to live in his home country ( where he’s not lived since he was 19).
He’s dark and doesn’t look British, and getting increasingly anxious about the rhetoric in the country and how safe it’s going to be for people like him.
After living his adult life here, contributing and grafting. There’s no way he would want citizenship of a country that would see no value in him.
I don’t blame him and I will 100% pack up and move if it comes to it.
Immigration ( legal and otherwise) has been very badly handled in the UK for years, but the people bearing the brunt of all the fuck ups are running your favourite restaurant, operating your radiotherapy machine, caring for your elderly. It’s a disgrace this is even a conversation.

Why is it barbaric to say that if in the time they’ve been here, those who haven’t managed to get tax paying employment and are living on benefits when they have never paid into the system, they need to move on and find somewhere where they can be productive members of society?

And he's applying that to people who have ALREADY been given ILR so effectively he's reversing the status of people who are here completely legally and have done nothing wrong.

Plus visa fees and the NHS surcharge are huge. We are going to take this money from people, plus all the tax and National Insurance they will pay, and what we are offering them in return is a big Fuck Off when we consider them no longer useful.

It's a disgusting, shameful policy and I repeat my point that anyone supporting it is a shit human being.

The vast majority with ILR will have had to have been paying into the system in order to get the ILR in the first place.

You are a higher rate tax payer with savings. Presumably at one point you liked the UK hence you chose to live here, then why did you not apply for citizenship then?

Er, perhaps they were working and contributing and have recently developed a chronic illness? Or perhaps they've been raising their British children?

It's awful to tell people they have the right to remain indefinitely and then pull the rug out from under their feet just because you later consider that they are not economically useful enough.