Farage promises to deport people with ILR

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Nigel Farage stated he would deport anyone with existing indefinite leave to remain. We are talking about millions of people.
This terrifying. If people live here, work here, have kids and mortgages - where are they supposed to go?

You will have to reapply to stay - the ‘indefinite’ bit will become 5 years with quite restrictive conditions for granting.
This will apply retrospectively as well - so having it already makes no odds.

You need to look closer to home at who is taking the piss out of the system. They have time to protest outside hotels rather than working. My partner has worked from the age of 14 he was born here to Jamaican parents. His mum was a nurse and his dad was an engineer. What do you think my partner should do?

UK government a good enough source for you?

A growing population
The UK’s population has been growing for much of its recent history. In 1898, the population was around 40 million; it had reached 50 million by 1948 and 60 million by 2005.
The Office for National Statistics (ONS) estimates that the UK population was around 67.6 million in 2022. According to the ONS’s official population projections, it will reach 70 million by 2026.
This may not happen as projected. Population projections use assumptions based on current trends in births, deaths and international migration. All three of these are unpredictable and can be affected by things that projections don’t account for, like population health, world events and policy decisions.
Population change varies between different parts of the UK. Between the 2011 and 2021 censuses, the population in the East of England grew by 8%, more than any other English region. Growth was lowest in Wales (1%) and the North East of England (2%).

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/the-uks-changing-population/#:~:text=A%20growing%20population,East%20of%20England%20(2%25).

Me? Because they're doing necessary and important jobs.

The poster is claiming we can give visas to such people, doing jobs we need, just absolutely no security. So I'm asking that poster what's in it for them and why they would do it.

I quite agree. I would enter the category of "net contributor", but I was only able to do this because people looked after and educated my kids, provided health care, emptied my bins, sold me food so I didn't have to grow it myself etc. It's a ridiculous concept as we are all reliant on others in order to function.

UK government a good enough source for you?

A growing population
The UK’s population has been growing for much of its recent history. In 1898, the population was around 40 million; it had reached 50 million by 1948 and 60 million by 2005.
The Office for National Statistics (ONS) estimates that the UK population was around 67.6 million in 2022. According to the ONS’s official population projections, it will reach 70 million by 2026.
This may not happen as projected. Population projections use assumptions based on current trends in births, deaths and international migration. All three of these are unpredictable and can be affected by things that projections don’t account for, like population health, world events and policy decisions.
Population change varies between different parts of the UK. Between the 2011 and 2021 censuses, the population in the East of England grew by 8%, more than any other English region. Growth was lowest in Wales (1%) and the North East of England (2%).

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/the-uks-changing-population/#:~:text=A%20growing%20population,East%20of%20England%20(2%25).

I know someone who is a car mechanic on a modest income. He had an arranged marriage with a woman who came over from Pakistan, has never worked, and even now - 35 years later - does not speak fluent English.

Their three children are all NHS doctors now, two of them consultants.

Yes, apparently Farage suggests £60 k. I earn more than that..But I am sure many who benefit the country don't. Scientists, for instance.
Quite apart from the nitty gritty of the rules, the pervading atmosphere is just pretty unpleasant for any immigrant. Constant headlines about benefit scroungers and taking British jobs.

I expect Labour will now have to move to the right to keep up with Farage.

Of course I did as most law abiding people do. As most will here if there are new rules or they’ll apply for citizenship. ‘Deportation’ isn’t for the majority, it’s not the correct terminology.

Re the policy I’m interested in a few pp takes but I’m not making decisions until closer to the GE.

Quite. Surely they'd rather live somewhere they can put down roots, safe in the knowledge that they won't be deported the moment they are no longer "needed"?

Having spent your life enjoying free education, free healthcare, decent housing, decent infrastructure, benefitting greatly from long periods of economic growth and now enjoying a triple lock state pension...you're now one of the economically inactive people you feel it acceptable to hate.

Provide the links that show (a) "many" post-1948 immigrants are not net contributors, (b) you have been a net contributor over the whole of your life, (c) "many" of the current population is economically inactive and (d) the scientifically calculated optimum population figure for the UK. Otherwise take your Daily Fail-influenced rancid bigotry and...put it somewhere dark.

You’d better hope that our own perpetually unemployed somehow become willing to do those jobs then.

Elderly care, disability services, cleaning. They all need to happen.

I do not care what ethnicity or origin the person that changes my son at school is, I just want it doing. But if we’re pushing away low paid/low skill workers, there’d better be a person round the corner happy to pick that work up instead.

If we have less pull factors, less will want to come. If immigrants can't claim benefits that would massively reduce the welfare budget we all know is unsustainable. Labour are supposedly going to increase ILR from 5 years qualifying to 10 years. Reform are saying 7 years but higher earnings level to ensure all dependents don't become net takers. If they are net contributors no problem.

This is what they are leading towards. They are going to push until they get what they want and people will listen to him. It's scary times.

I would be very careful in believing this. Millions of Trump voters said the same. “He won’t really do it. He doesn’t really mean it. There are checks and balances in government.” He claimed to know nothing about Project 2025. And lo and behold, here he is, working through Project 2025 like a checklist. Funny that.

Exactly. I don’t mind people disagreeing with Reforms actual policies but it is very telling that OP has deliberately misled people on this.

It’s exactly the same behaviour that the hard left constantly accuses the ‘right wing flag wavers’ of.

Also I read that if an employer sponsors a low skilled worker they have to also fully train a UK citizen to be able to do job. So overtime low skilled jobs can be done by UK citizens instead of claiming so many benefits.

The growth wasn't the number I wanted authorised.

It must have only changed in the last 12 months then as my hubby applied for citizenship last year due to his ILR being about to expire and renewing it would have cost more than applying for citizenship

“Saying migration is a race issue is ridiculous in London, where most taxpayers are black.”

The 13% Black population of London pays more tax than the other 87%, despite nearly 40% of Black Londoners living in poverty?

Do you actually know the mechanism to claim benefits in this country?

If you were a child in 1950 you will currently be economically inactive yourself I imagine. Many women in that generation hardly worked at all outside the home. Be careful who they come for next. Farage is a currency trader and uber captalist, not a friend to pensioners and low earners.

I am also very uncomfortable with the good immigrant bad immigrant rhetoric. I believe a number of Tube drivers are being deported even now. Pretty sure they are more useful than me. And are British people able and willing to do that job?

If you were a child in 1950 you will currently be economically inactive yourself I imagine. Many women in that generation hardly worked at all outside the home. Be careful who they come for next. Farage is a currency trader and uber captalist, not a friend to pensioners and low earners.

Most immigrants can't claim benefits and have to pay a NHS surcharge

So what is this 'massively reduce the welfare budget' in numbers?