Farage promises to deport people with ILR

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Nigel Farage stated he would deport anyone with existing indefinite leave to remain. We are talking about millions of people.
This terrifying. If people live here, work here, have kids and mortgages - where are they supposed to go?

That is a strange comparison, but yes it is deportation, forced removal.

So what do say you would call it?

BRPs are now defunct, and have been for a while. They’ve been phased out, and once expired were not replaced.

They’ve been replaced by an E-Visa system that doesn’t require renewal or rechecking once checked by an employer if a person has ILR. All visa types are now ran through the UKVI system, and ILR would present on that system as having no expiry.

This is directly from the government website:

If you have indefinite leave to remain or enter (ILR or ILE)
If you have ILR or ILE there is no longer any time limit on your ability to stay in the UK.

In the UK, to sponsor someone for a spousal visa, you have to be earning above a certain threshold. If your earnings drop below that threshold, you can no longer sponsor your spouse for a visa. That means they have to leave.

So if we were in the UK and I became unable to work for whatever reason, it stands to reason that my husband's right to remain would be under threat.

And that's now, when Reform only have 4 MPs.

Illegal immigrants will rightly be deported. There are several options for most people when their visa expires;

apply for and receive a new visa if you're eligible - stay in the UK

apply for and do not receive a visa because you are not eligible - return home/somewhere else or stay as an illegal immigrant, risking deportation

don't bother to apply for a visa and remain illegally - risk deportation

The only scenario for deportation is for illegal immigrants.

As this muppet may actually get in at the next election, the prudent thing to do would be to get the citizenship now, if you have the money to do so. All those paying higher rate taxes who have been here for ages in professional jobs with excellent English skills should just get it. I think the complication is only for those from countries what do not allow dual citizenship so that is a tricky one.
There is no point getting emotional about it. Mitigate the risk, if you can. It is like saving for a pension is it not?

Don't you want taxpayers? Because there are precious few. And many are leaving. My company and DH's company employs many skilled foreigners. They are fed up of not being able to plan their lives, buy a house, settle their children.

Your posts say the UK should prioritise citizens. Ok. But as a high tax payer, I am paying for those who can't work.

Or there will be a visa route for workers we need, but they won’t be eligible to claim ILR or benefits.

Could they lose state pension too having paid contributions for decades? Is pension a 'benefit'.

You seem to be a big fan of deportations

Not a fan of immigration it seems

Really? That’s strange it encompasses everyone leaving when they have run out of time to stay.

What an odd word to use for the millions leaving countries every day when they can no longer stay. I can say I’ve never been ‘deported’ I have left a country due to a visa running out.

To everyone saying don’t worry, it won’t happen etc. Don’t be so sure. Look at the US and what Ice agents are doing. He’s clearly stating his intentions and we must believe him - the worst thing we could do is assume Farage is a toothless fool. Instead, use your voice and for god’s said make sure you use your vote when the time comes.

I have to say, if I was in that position I’d probably be planning my exit rather than planning a citizenship application.

My country does not allow dual citizenship. Antiquated but there you are.

I will think about it carefully. I hear what you say about mitigating risk.

High rate taxpayers, of course. But not large numbers of low-skilled workers.

Sorry if I’m being dense but where does it say those with existing ILR may be deported? Not that I support this shower of shit at all.

Dependents can’t be brought in on all visas, eg carers, study, so only high skilled ones who pay their way. Anyway there would be no recourse to public funds.
Family reunion visas are stopped.
Spouse visas have conditions to meet.
Asylum seeker hotels - irrelevant to homeless hostels. 2 distinct and separate funding sources, needs and outcomes. Asylum seekers are simply not taking a room that a rough sleeper could use.
Immigrants as a whole actually make a net contribution.
When we’ve finished shifting folk ‘back home’ as they aren’t ’good enough for Britain’ who do you think will be queuing to get here? We aren’t that attractive right now.
Anecdotally, but you will ignore anyhow, a family member was dating an Iranian consultant dentist in the U.K. - he found the racism and assumptions he was scrounging when he went out ‘roaming’ as it is often termed here, quite off putting and chose to go to live (and pay whatever taxes) in the US instead (pre Trump) - I was pretty embarrassed by local folk then, but it’s worse now.

I work in finance for a company that runs apprenticeships. Labour’s employer NI increase now has us on our knees. As it turns out, running apprentice schemes isn’t a big money earner like Amazon or Apple—funny that. And Labour have recently increased the minimum pay requirements for immigrants on visas, which our trainers fall below of. The problem is that the majority of our apprentice trainers are from overseas…we have some Brits, but try as we might, cannot fill all of the roles with citizens. We also don’t have the funds to bump up our trainers’ pay, thanks to the NI hit we’re currently taking. Our margins are razor thin. Our senior staff have been in contact with Labour, and we will see what they do (under their current rules, our apprentice trainers aren’t considered “teachers”). It appears that Reform want the same—our apprentice trainers deported. Ergo, our apprentice scheme slashed and apprentices not learning valuable skills for employment, rather to become NEETs. Voting has real consequences and I really wish people would think about what they’re voting for, rather than some catchy phrase, ie, “STOP THE BOATS”. Not all immigrants arrive on boats, and some are doing really valuable roles within the economy.

He's just saying whatever he needs to say to go viral and get attention and appeal to a particular kind of voter.

His policy would probably be blocked by the courts. There are laws that govern how people can be treated in this country and they trump everything.

There’s an earnings threshold.

Then why would they stay and do low paid, albeit necessary and important, jobs?

You left voluntary I assume?

Do you agree with Reform's policy?

Perhaps.
But looking to the future, their UK educated children may well be hard working net contributors.

You seem very confident. Do you despise the so called " illegals"

They won’t. Why would you want them to?