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Charlie Kirk Eulogy

140 replies

MrsSkylerWhite · 21/09/2025 23:06

Thoughts? It made me feel queasy. AIBU?

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MrsSkylerWhite · 22/09/2025 08:09

aold · 22/09/2025 07:36

the left, especially the hard left, are so entrenched in believing they’re the keepers of all worldly wisdom, their minds are closed to discussion outside of their echo chamber.

Trump is closing down tv shows that dare to disagree with or criticise him.
Echo chamber?

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IWasScaredToBeHeld · 22/09/2025 08:10

MrsSkylerWhite · 22/09/2025 08:09

Trump is closing down tv shows that dare to disagree with or criticise him.
Echo chamber?

I honestly sit and chuckle at posters like this. They only see what they want to see!

itsAforapple · 22/09/2025 08:12

MrsSkylerWhite · 21/09/2025 23:28

Turning off now. Trump appearing. Nauseated enough already.

Made me realise how unsafe the world really is right now, and what a nut the US president really is.

aold · 22/09/2025 08:12

MrsSkylerWhite · 22/09/2025 08:09

Trump is closing down tv shows that dare to disagree with or criticise him.
Echo chamber?

ABC suspended Kimmel and industry people say it was a convenient excuse to get rid of a struggling presenter with very poor ratings.

IWasScaredToBeHeld · 22/09/2025 08:14

aold · 22/09/2025 08:12

ABC suspended Kimmel and industry people say it was a convenient excuse to get rid of a struggling presenter with very poor ratings.

Rubbish.

Trump shuts down anyone that doesn’t agree with him.

aold · 22/09/2025 08:15

IWasScaredToBeHeld · 22/09/2025 08:14

Rubbish.

Trump shuts down anyone that doesn’t agree with him.

repeating it doesn’t make it true.

MrsSkylerWhite · 22/09/2025 08:16

LactoseTolerant · 22/09/2025 06:44

Just because he got killed it doesn't suddenly make him a good person. Vile people get killed too.

Quite. This attempt to rewrite his history and turn him into some sort of martyr with god on his side is really off.

Someone rightly said his widow’s head must be all over the place. Absolutely. I have little doubt that she is being cynically manipulated by others whose intentions are far from “Christian”.

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ThatDreamyLemonBiscuit · 22/09/2025 08:17

1dayatatime · 22/09/2025 07:27

@MrsSkylerWhite

An interesting post.

So - the basis of hard left wing politics is the view that for someone to get rich someone else has to get poor, or if there is a winner then there must be a loser. Or as Marx put it the Proletariat and Bourgeoisie. That for every oppressed there is an oppressor or ultimately for every good side there is a bad or evil side.

The hard left then use such terms as fascist, Nazi, homophobic, misogynistic, racist, genocidal or whatever trending buzzword against any opposing views to reinforce the narrative of good vs bad.

The thing is @MrsSkylerWhite, I genuinely ask you to reflect for a short moment that regardless of politics that you have reached a point where because you disagree with the "other side" so much that you feel it is morally justified to dismiss or mock the heartbreak and agony of a young widow and two young children who witnessed their husband and father being brutally murdered.

And ask you to reflect that maybe just maybe you have become the "bad guys".

When someone is complicit in attempting so subvert an election, they lose the benefit of appealing to Your-Side/My-Side type arguments. Without fair elections, there aren't sides.

And no, Kirk was not in government, but he was involved in Jan 6 to the extent that he was deposed by the House Select Committee - where he plead the 5th to everything.

If you would take away my voice, I'm not going to temper it.

ThatDreamyLemonBiscuit · 22/09/2025 08:18

aold · 22/09/2025 08:15

repeating it doesn’t make it true.

If Donald did, it would.

GoodTimesNoodleSalad · 22/09/2025 08:23

MrsSkylerWhite · 22/09/2025 08:09

Trump is closing down tv shows that dare to disagree with or criticise him.
Echo chamber?

If ABC had thought Kimmel worth defending, they would have done so. But they didn’t.

Freedom of speech doesn’t mean freedom from consequences, right?

MrsSkylerWhite · 22/09/2025 08:23

aold · 22/09/2025 07:36

the left, especially the hard left, are so entrenched in believing they’re the keepers of all worldly wisdom, their minds are closed to discussion outside of their echo chamber.

Incidentally, I’m very much a centrist, a typical floating voter. Not signed up to any political party or movement. I decide which way to vote at each election. I have voted for Labour, LibDems and Conservatives over the years. The only decision I’ve made about the next UK election is that I shan’t be voting for Reform.

It isn’t only left-wing people who abhor the extremist views promoted by this man’s organisation.

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MrsSkylerWhite · 22/09/2025 08:26

GoodTimesNoodleSalad · 22/09/2025 08:23

If ABC had thought Kimmel worth defending, they would have done so. But they didn’t.

Freedom of speech doesn’t mean freedom from consequences, right?

Should that not work both ways? Yet it seems anything goes as far as Trump, Vance and indeed Turning Point are concerned. People who have the audacity to put forward a different view are increasingly being silenced or even picked up on the street.
Doesn't that concern you?

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IWasScaredToBeHeld · 22/09/2025 08:28

GoodTimesNoodleSalad · 22/09/2025 08:23

If ABC had thought Kimmel worth defending, they would have done so. But they didn’t.

Freedom of speech doesn’t mean freedom from consequences, right?

Only if you’re on the left, though. You can spill as much hatred as you like from the right and it be fine.

Yelleryeller · 22/09/2025 08:28

TheChoiceWithinDestiny · 22/09/2025 07:02

So you’ll assume she’s an awful person based on what concrete evidence? Rather than facts that she’s clearly not awful - she has forgiven her husbands murderer and expressed she doesn’t want the death penalty for him, she also was pleased there hadn’t been riots or protests in her husband’s name. That’s not an awful person .

Gosh your bar is on the floor

MissPoor · 22/09/2025 08:28

Somerford · 22/09/2025 07:24

No

Fair enough, it’s a little hard to understand your point of view, in that case.

MissPoor · 22/09/2025 08:29

stonebrambleboy · 22/09/2025 06:53

Quite definitely my dear.

Got it. Kamala Harris’s ‘shutting her gob,’ and calling me ‘my dear.’ I do believe we have a man.

Yelleryeller · 22/09/2025 08:36

aold · 22/09/2025 08:15

repeating it doesn’t make it true.

You also have JD Vance and those on the right encouraging mass doxxing of people not joining in on this ridiculous public mourning of a racist and misogynist. Who cares if he attacked their humanity everyday to grift a loving, they're suddenly not entitled to free speech and should be ratted out. Coming from people who mocked George Floyd and others disgustingly and still do btw. Any accusations of an echo chamber or closed ears on the left is always an admission from the right.

1dayatatime · 22/09/2025 08:40

mellongoose · 22/09/2025 07:41

I agree with so many on this thread that people have become so entrenched in their politics that they are becoming rotten with hate from the inside.

We should actively encourage disagreement and diversity of thought and opinions. Explorations of how to improve our society by taking the best of ideas without being held back by dogma.

OP leave her to grieve in her own way. There was no need to start a thread so full of hate. You have encouraged others to articulate similar. It’s not great. Don’t be that person.

Thank you for such a well written post.

TooTooMuchEverything · 22/09/2025 08:45

GoodTimesNoodleSalad · 22/09/2025 08:23

If ABC had thought Kimmel worth defending, they would have done so. But they didn’t.

Freedom of speech doesn’t mean freedom from consequences, right?

You do know what Kimmel said right? he commented on how hard the right (ie Trump, Vance) was working to paint Tyler Robinson as being from the left and how quickly that started doing so.

Taking him off the air is silencing him for what?

That is not consequences, That is censorship by the government. And that’s unconstitutional.

DontGoJasonWaterfalls · 22/09/2025 08:49

Bernadinetta · 22/09/2025 07:35

Absolutely bemused by the fireworks going off when Erika, Vance and Trump entered the stage.

Indeed. I think anyone saying "she's just a grieving widow, she was just sharing a message of forgiveness" needs to ask themselves why fireworks went off.

It was a weird combination of election night win celebrations and evangelical Christian conference, Hillsong style. If people can't acknowledge the strange and sinister undertones of this without getting a dig in at the "far left", there's no hope for them.

TooTooMuchEverything · 22/09/2025 08:49

TooTooMuchEverything · 22/09/2025 08:45

You do know what Kimmel said right? he commented on how hard the right (ie Trump, Vance) was working to paint Tyler Robinson as being from the left and how quickly that started doing so.

Taking him off the air is silencing him for what?

That is not consequences, That is censorship by the government. And that’s unconstitutional.

Edited

My mistake. I meant that the government interfering in free speech is unconstitutional. Which is what they did to Kimmel.

DontGoJasonWaterfalls · 22/09/2025 08:54

aold · 22/09/2025 08:12

ABC suspended Kimmel and industry people say it was a convenient excuse to get rid of a struggling presenter with very poor ratings.

"I have read some place that the networks were 97% against me, again, 97% negative, and yet I won and easily [in last year's election]," the president said.
"They give me only bad publicity [and] press. I mean, they're getting a licence. I would think maybe their licence should be taken away."

Trump's own words. ----

MrsSkylerWhite · 22/09/2025 09:11

DontGoJasonWaterfalls · 22/09/2025 08:54

"I have read some place that the networks were 97% against me, again, 97% negative, and yet I won and easily [in last year's election]," the president said.
"They give me only bad publicity [and] press. I mean, they're getting a licence. I would think maybe their licence should be taken away."

Trump's own words. ----

Chilling, aren’t they? State controlled media.

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DontGoJasonWaterfalls · 22/09/2025 09:14

MrsSkylerWhite · 22/09/2025 09:11

Chilling, aren’t they? State controlled media.

I can't believe the mental gymnastics people are going through on this thread to deny that it's happening.

Bernadinetta · 22/09/2025 09:16

Why did Trump use this opportunity to announce they have “found an answer to autism” 😳

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