Starmer’s support for Palestine

[Steph888]

Am I alone in seeing this as one of the darkest days in UK history?

Never before did I think I’d end up living under a government who reward terrorism.

Starmer and Labour are grotesque. History will not be kind to them. They have now empowered all terrorists and their supporters.

We deserve such better than this reprehensible government. They disgust me.

Anybody who excuses or minimises what happened on 07th October is someone whose opinion I couldn’t care less about quite frankly.

anybody who denies the killing of children and excuses an apartheid state created 75 years ago illegally,
before October 7th, needs to go learn history because they don’t know facts

So what do you mean by "an apartheid state"?

Where have I denied children have been killed? It’s a war, wars are horrible and unfortunately people die.

And what do you mean by ‘apartheid state created illegally’?

I was wondering about that.

On the day of the end of the British mandate in Palestine, May 14, 1948, David Ben-Gurion, President of the Jewish National Council, proclaims the independence of the State of Israel from the Tel Aviv Museum, in the presence of representatives of the Zionist movements. From that moment on, all Jews around the world have the right to settle in the country (this is the “law of return”).

So which parts of this newly created State of Israel was "Illegal and apartheid" ?

I fear you are wasting your breath.

The ignorance and hate is staggering.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/12/05/does-israels-treatment-palestinians-rise-level-apartheid

Have a read of Human Rights Watch

They didn’t just create a State

They stole land and homes and are still illegally occupying, especially in the West Bank and East Jerusalem

• In July 2024, the International Court of Justice ruled that Israel’s military occupation of Palestinian land is illegal and that Israel’s occupation of the West Bank is based on “systematic discrimination, segregation and apartheid(this link opens in a new window).

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cjerjzxlpvdo

even BBC bias wrote about it

I have clearly wasted my breath on some of the people here who couldn’t admit famine and starvation and brutal oppression despite thousands of children documented dying and being killed senselessly by every health organisation.

so it’s time to check out of the ignorance here

Long Live Palestine 🇵🇸

You will never be erased and you live in the hearts of many all around the World 💕

🎗️ 🎗️ 🎗️

@Mihrimah "They stole land and homes and are still illegally occupying, especially in the West Bank and East Jerusalem"

That is not correct.

In May 1948, the Jordan’s Arab Legion overran the eastern part of Jerusalem and occupied the Old City and its Holy Places.
Following the 1948 Arab/Israeli War, Jordan continued to occupy East Jerusalem and what is now commonly referred to as the West Bank. This included the area the UN partition decision had allotted for an Arab state.

Rather than seek independence for a Palestinian state, the Arabs from the area allotted for an Arab state in the UN partition resolution agreed to the unification of Palestine with Jordan and swore loyalty to the king at the Jericho Conference on December 1, 1948.

On April 11, 1950, elections were held for a new Jordanian parliament in which the Palestinian Arabs of the West Bank were equally represented. On April 24, 1950, the Jordan House of Deputies and House of Notables, in a joint session, adopted a resolution annexing the West Bank and Jerusalem:

King Abdullah acted over the objections of the Arab League.
Two-thirds or more of King Abdullah’s subjects in the new combined Kingdom were Palestinians and one-third, or slightly less, native Jordanians. All became Jordanian citizens and were given Jordanian Passports.

During the nineteen years of Jordanian administration, Jordan refused to honour its undertaking in the armistice agreement to accord free access to the Holy Places and to cultural institutions, and use of the Jewish cemetery on The Mount of Olives.
Jews were barred from the Old City and denied access to the Western Wall and other Holy Places. The Jewish Quarter in the Old City was destroyed; fifty-eight synagogues were also destroyed or desecrated. Thousands of tombstones in the Jewish cemetery on The Mount of Olives were destroyed to pave a road and build fences and sanitary facilities in Jordanian army camps.

Muslim residents of Israel were not permitted to visit their Holy Places in East Jerusalem. Christians, too, were discriminated against.
During the Jordanian occupation, Jerusalem was bisected by barbed wire, concrete barriers and walls. On a number of occasions Jordanian soldiers opened fire on Jewish Jerusalem. In May 1967, the Temple Mount became a military base for the Jordanian National Guard.

After Israel reunified Jerusalem and captured the West Bank in the Six-Day War in June 1967, King Hussein insisted, “The truth is that Jordan is Palestine and Palestine is Jordan.”

The Jordanians were the aggressors here operating a "land-grab" not the Israelis.

prove what your saying with real documented footage
show Jordan stealing peoples homes

Israel has seized land illegally and it’s been documented time and time again and proven in court
even by your beloved bbc
and that is absolutely correct

The so called “Right to return”

Come and live here
we will give you a home
but instead they are stealing homes and land

He says in the clip
“if I don’t steal it, someone else will!”
At least he was honest, I give him that

imagine that
someone knocking on your door and saying
I’m taking over your house
You need to leave
because over 2000 years ago I was promised this land and my forefathers lived here

It’s actually unbelievable when you think how insane this is!

And it’s been happening for decades
it has nothing to do with Hamas because areas like the West Bank are not governed by them

there are countless documents including the bbc showing them bullying people out of their own homes in the most aggressive manner

documented by BBC world service

And one more for you @peasporrige

I shall leave it here now

Goodbye

@Mihrimah All I have written has been historically documented .

What is it you don't understand about Jordan controlling the West Bank for 17 years by an illegal annexation?

BTW I never said Hamas had anything to do with it.

The PLO was in charge and was negotiating with Israel

On July 31, 1988, King Hussein announced his intention to politically disengage from the West Bank, leaving the PLO to fill the political vacuum. However, he sought to retain influence over Jerusalem.
In 1950, against the wishes of the Arab League, King Hussein’s grandfather, King Abdullah I, had annexed the West Bank and East Jerusalem. Jordan retained control of these areas until the June 1967 War, when Israel acquired them. For the next twenty years, Jordan attempted to reacquire the land through secret talks.
One such attempt to regain this territory was the United Arab Kingdom Plan, proposed by King Hussein in March 1972. In this plan, the East and West Banks of the Jordan River were to be linked, subject to Palestinian approval.

The PLO and Israel immediately rejected the plan, and the rest of the Arab World followed suit. The Arab League subsequently recognized the PLO as the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people in 1974.

After years of tension with the PLO about who should negotiate with Israel for the West Bank’s future, King Hussein finally withdrew all claims to this land in 1988.
This left the inhabitants of the area effectively stateless and without an 'official' government.. His speech came in the aftermath of Palestinian violence, the first intifadah against Israel. The intifadah had forced him to recognize that the Palestinians wanted their own independent state, not one that was administered by Jordan.

This was when Hamas was formed.

Disassociation from the West Bank ensured Jordan’s longevity, as it now focused exclusively on the East Bank of the Jordan River. This gave King Hussein greater freedom to sign a peace treaty with Israel, which he did in October 1994.

excuse me? You start by saying this " isn't about Jews or Muslims " but then go on to determine what a " true Jew" thinks and feels. A TRUE Jew ?! As opposed to what? An untrue one?. You know that is anti Semitic and racist no?

I am disgusted by what is happening in Palestine - and has been happening for many many years. The whole of Palestine is an open air prison. How anyone can say the Holocaust was atrocious without recognising that what is going on in Palestine is beyond me. In addition, their bombing of Syria and other surrounding territories in order to facilitate a "Greater Israel" is grotesque. The UK and the US as well as other Governments has given in to Israel for far too long. I eo jot think our Government has done enough.

@TheMixedGirl "The whole of Palestine is an open air prison"

(Do you include the West Bank in that?)

There is a route out of Gaza to Egypt that isn't controlled by Israel. So ask yourself why Egypt won't open it?

Cairo has kept tight restrictions on movement through the Rafah crossing for many years - to such an extent that many Palestinians have essentially accused Egypt of bolstering Israel's blockade of Gaza, which has been in place since Hamas took full power there in 2007.

Egypt's reluctance to open the crossing without clear conditions and guarantees may be more about trying to avoid a mass exodus of Palestinians from Gaza.

The UN's humanitarian chief, Martin Griffiths, said the Egyptian authorities fear a great influx of Gazans - for whom they would then be responsible, for an indefinite period.
In addition, Egypt does not want to play any role in what could amount to a permanent resettlement of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians from Gaza.

So if you think it's an "open air prison" blame Egypt not Israel

Yes of course, you are excused.

Israel have always held tight control over Rafah. Even before 7/10, Gazans could only enter/exit via Rafah if Israel permitted it. They would be the ones granting or denying the permits.

Likewise in West Bank, the only border crossing not via Israel is still controlled by Israel and no one can go in or out without Israel's permission. They've currently closed that, trapping the Palestinians.

The Rafah crossing was opened by Israel after the 1979 peace treaty and remained under Israeli control until 2005, when it was transferred to Egyptian, Palestinian Authority, and EU control, giving Palestinians partial control of an international border for the first time.
In 2007, after Hamas seized Gaza, the EU withdrew, and Israel imposed a complete blockade, effectively sealing Gaza. In the same year, Egypt closed the Rafah crossing. Since then, the Rafah crossing has only opened intermittently for Palestinian movement.

Qatar mediated an agreement between Egypt, Israel and Hamas, in coordination with the United States, to allow limited evacuations.

The first group of injured evacuees left through Rafah about three weeks into the war on Nov. 1, followed by the first foreign passport holders.

So blame Hamas for the crossing being shut not Israel.

Oh my dear God....are you for real? Your ignorance is staggering beyond belief lady!

Because once you open it, all the Palestinians will leave and they will have no right to return to their homeland- this is what happened to the 500,000 palestinian refugees who fled to Lebanon and the other 1million Palestinian refugees in the surrounding nations like Jordan and Syria, they have no right to return and the host nations can’t keep them for various reasons. Lebanon for one, is built on a very fragile balance of Christian and Muslim population, sectarianism was rife couple of decades ago, civil war kicked off because of the Palestinian refugee situation at one point. The area has one of the most complex political situations in the world that I don’t think average jo blogs on the internet gets, but they feel that they can air their opinion regardless.

Also- You blame the neighbouring nations for not saving them but you don’t blame the oppressor? Wow.

If you want to talk history, maybe look at what happened to the Jews in the Centuries after the colonising Islamic Empire captured Jerusalem.