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Starmer’s support for Palestine

794 replies

Steph888 · 21/09/2025 15:39

Am I alone in seeing this as one of the darkest days in UK history?

Never before did I think I’d end up living under a government who reward terrorism.

Starmer and Labour are grotesque. History will not be kind to them. They have now empowered all terrorists and their supporters.

We deserve such better than this reprehensible government. They disgust me.

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SirHumphreyRocks · 22/09/2025 07:50

Namelessnelly · 22/09/2025 07:42

Why is it audacious to remind people Hamas are still holding innocent people hostage? Do you think the hostages deserve it? Why? Hamas murdered innocent people m. Why is what they did different to what Israel are doing apart from Isreal are doing it on a larger scale.

Why is what they did different to what Israel are doing apart from Isreal are doing it on a larger scale.

Are you genuinely going to argue "my genocide is bigger than your genocide" as a defence for the wholesale murder of innocent civilians?

Namelessnelly · 22/09/2025 07:52

SirHumphreyRocks · 22/09/2025 07:50

Why is what they did different to what Israel are doing apart from Isreal are doing it on a larger scale.

Are you genuinely going to argue "my genocide is bigger than your genocide" as a defence for the wholesale murder of innocent civilians?

No n asking why no one is condemning Hamas for what they did. Or do you believe they were justified in killing innocent people and holding others hostage for months? Both sides are evil. The only difference is the scale.

EasternStandard · 22/09/2025 07:53

Osmosisfreight · 22/09/2025 07:47

Can I ask why when videos of Gazan children come out (horrific videos) its propaganda, AI, fakes turfed out by Hamas, but when its on the other foot and it’s horrific videos of Israeli children some never question the video’s validity? It’s just simply believe ti be true, why is it not Israeli propaganda? There’s always a double standard whats real and whats not. From what I have read the claims of beheaded babies was debunked no?

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Are you aware of what Hamas did do on October 7th?

BluntPlumHam · 22/09/2025 07:55

EasternStandard · 22/09/2025 07:53

Are you aware of what Hamas did do on October 7th?

Yes. The media won’t stop talking about it. Unfortunately for Israel far too many of us know what happened before Oct 7 and what is happening after it.

Namelessnelly · 22/09/2025 07:56

EasternStandard · 22/09/2025 07:53

Are you aware of what Hamas did do on October 7th?

Yes. That seems to have been conveniently forgotten. No one seems to be holding Hamas accountable for their actions. Will recognising Palestine release the hostages? Will it actually help anyone in Gaza?

hamstersarse · 22/09/2025 07:56

BluntPlumHam · 22/09/2025 07:46

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2021-04-29/ty-article/.premium/a-month-later-israeli-military-admits-palestinian-childrens-detention-was-improper/0000017f-f332-d497-a1ff-f3b2ec8c0000

I mean this took seconds to find.
It’s from 2021 so pre Gaza current genocide.
It’s in relation to children, which is harrowing.
It’s from their own national paper.
It is one in countless news sources that that very subject.
Audacity is incredulous or you’re a plant.

It’s behind a paywall, do you have a share token or did you too just read the headline?

BluntPlumHam · 22/09/2025 07:56

Osmosisfreight · 22/09/2025 07:47

Can I ask why when videos of Gazan children come out (horrific videos) its propaganda, AI, fakes turfed out by Hamas, but when its on the other foot and it’s horrific videos of Israeli children some never question the video’s validity? It’s just simply believe ti be true, why is it not Israeli propaganda? There’s always a double standard whats real and whats not. From what I have read the claims of beheaded babies was debunked no?

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It was debunked. Their own newspaper haretz published it but someone on mumsnet has seen a video so it’s got to be true.

Namelessnelly · 22/09/2025 07:56

BluntPlumHam · 22/09/2025 07:55

Yes. The media won’t stop talking about it. Unfortunately for Israel far too many of us know what happened before Oct 7 and what is happening after it.

Did you just dismiss the murder and kidnap of innocent people? Wow!

hamstersarse · 22/09/2025 07:57

BluntPlumHam · 22/09/2025 07:56

It was debunked. Their own newspaper haretz published it but someone on mumsnet has seen a video so it’s got to be true.

Oh. The beheaded baby thing. Right. The babies were just killed by other methods so it’s ok

Osmosisfreight · 22/09/2025 07:58

EasternStandard · 22/09/2025 07:53

Are you aware of what Hamas did do on October 7th?

Yes we all are aware of October 7th ffs- it’s the reason the Genocide is happening no? but I’m pointing out the double standard, videos of Israeli’s suffering are never question if they are real, and I have seen many people claiming that Gazan videos are faked etc, and again from what I have read the beheaded babies video/rumour/photo whatever it was, has been deemed untrue?
Why do we have to believe all Israeli press as true and not anything coming out of Gaza?

EasternStandard · 22/09/2025 07:58

Osmosisfreight · 22/09/2025 07:58

Yes we all are aware of October 7th ffs- it’s the reason the Genocide is happening no? but I’m pointing out the double standard, videos of Israeli’s suffering are never question if they are real, and I have seen many people claiming that Gazan videos are faked etc, and again from what I have read the beheaded babies video/rumour/photo whatever it was, has been deemed untrue?
Why do we have to believe all Israeli press as true and not anything coming out of Gaza?

Are you? When I see posts on ‘debunking beheaded babies’ I wonder where the humanity is for what did happen.

BluntPlumHam · 22/09/2025 07:58

hamstersarse · 22/09/2025 07:56

It’s behind a paywall, do you have a share token or did you too just read the headline?

It is an example of 100s of articles from
various news sources saying the same thing should you wish to Google but then we both know that isn’t your intention. I posted it for any other readers out there who may have the naivety to believe your claims.

Namelessnelly · 22/09/2025 08:00

EasternStandard · 22/09/2025 07:58

Are you? When I see posts on ‘debunking beheaded babies’ I wonder where the humanity is for what did happen.

But babies did die. Innocent babies killed by Hamas. Are you saying that’s ok? Why are you so dismissive of what Hamas did? Why are you not marching to free the hostages?

Judgejudysno1fan · 22/09/2025 08:02

Echobelly · 21/09/2025 15:49

I'm Jewish and think this is long overdue. Palestinians deserve a state, they don't deserve to have the possibility taken away because of the awful action a minority took on 7 October on their behalf.

If the Israeli government did not want there to be recognition of Palestine they could have retaliated without turning to genocide, without mass starvation. It has made me ashamed to feel people might associate me with Israel but most of all made me feel total horror of what they have done to Gaza, actions that betray the memory of my family members murdered by Nazis in the Shoah.

This is only a start, but it's something. I can't say I am optimistic, because Netanyahu has assured a generation of hatred towards Israel from any surviving Gazans - I really wouldn't blame them.

Yeah and Ben Netanyahu is actually having the Israeli Jews who stand up for whats wrong beaten and imprisoned! It's terrible.

I saw this young boy, absolutely beautiful boy with his Jewish cap on, waving a flag for Palestine and they came beat him and dragged him into a car where he was screaming for his father

Osmosisfreight · 22/09/2025 08:02

EasternStandard · 22/09/2025 07:58

Are you? When I see posts on ‘debunking beheaded babies’ I wonder where the humanity is for what did happen.

When I see posts that babies infact were not beheaded I feel relieved that that it didn’t happen and they didn’t suffer, are you perhaps upset because it makes Israel look bad that they lied and they could be (they deffo are) genocidal war criminals?

EasternStandard · 22/09/2025 08:03

Osmosisfreight · 22/09/2025 08:02

When I see posts that babies infact were not beheaded I feel relieved that that it didn’t happen and they didn’t suffer, are you perhaps upset because it makes Israel look bad that they lied and they could be (they deffo are) genocidal war criminals?

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There was a post here that described why this came about, and as they said it was hard to explain yet again. There were bodies and I won’t describe it. There’s no relief on what happened.

Namelessnelly · 22/09/2025 08:04

Osmosisfreight · 22/09/2025 08:02

When I see posts that babies infact were not beheaded I feel relieved that that it didn’t happen and they didn’t suffer, are you perhaps upset because it makes Israel look bad that they lied and they could be (they deffo are) genocidal war criminals?

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But it’s ok they were killed as long as they didn’t suffer?? What is wrong with you?

BluntPlumHam · 22/09/2025 08:04

EasternStandard · 22/09/2025 07:58

Are you? When I see posts on ‘debunking beheaded babies’ I wonder where the humanity is for what did happen.

Wait till you see what Israel did to Hind, Yusuf, Tariq, Sidra, Reem and countless other children. Your faith in humanity will entirely disappear. Try to imagine them as none brown/Palestinian kids which may elicit some emotion.

nervousnelly789 · 22/09/2025 08:04

@Steph888 what is you understanding of what’s is happening in that section of the world. You do know that palestine was there way before the Jews got places there by the British don’t you? What the Zionist are doing is that not terrorism or are they not the right colour to be classed at terrorist??
you all hypocrites who are sheep led by the TikTok instagram and knobheads that shouldn’t be allowed to talk.
a man made famine MAN made imagine that being you and your family ? Have some empathy!!
It’s long overdue they do EXIST and it IS THIER land they can live in harmony they are not monsters it’s the Zionist that don’t want anyone. Stop talking about October 7th and educated ur self on all the massacres they the Palestine’s have had to deal with.

SirHumphreyRocks · 22/09/2025 08:05

Namelessnelly · 22/09/2025 07:52

No n asking why no one is condemning Hamas for what they did. Or do you believe they were justified in killing innocent people and holding others hostage for months? Both sides are evil. The only difference is the scale.

Are you not listening? Everyone condemned Hamas for what they did. Nobody supports the taking and holding of hostages. And that has been said multiple times. But none of that justifies genocide. Two wrongs do not make a right. And tit-for-tat (quite apart from being a stupid game for adults to play) arguments are why the entir situation is where it is. Palestinians would point to hostage taking (questionable imprisonment and torture), attacks on Palestinians, and land grabs as their justification for 7th October. There were no clean hands before 7th October. It didn't all start two years ago.

And "scale" is a huge difference.

EasternStandard · 22/09/2025 08:06

Namelessnelly · 22/09/2025 08:00

But babies did die. Innocent babies killed by Hamas. Are you saying that’s ok? Why are you so dismissive of what Hamas did? Why are you not marching to free the hostages?

@Namelessnellydid you mean this got another poster? I agree with you

Namelessnelly · 22/09/2025 08:07

SirHumphreyRocks · 22/09/2025 08:05

Are you not listening? Everyone condemned Hamas for what they did. Nobody supports the taking and holding of hostages. And that has been said multiple times. But none of that justifies genocide. Two wrongs do not make a right. And tit-for-tat (quite apart from being a stupid game for adults to play) arguments are why the entir situation is where it is. Palestinians would point to hostage taking (questionable imprisonment and torture), attacks on Palestinians, and land grabs as their justification for 7th October. There were no clean hands before 7th October. It didn't all start two years ago.

And "scale" is a huge difference.

So you’re saying what Hamas did was justified? When America attacked Afghanistan after 9/11 was that justified?

EasternStandard · 22/09/2025 08:08

BluntPlumHam · 22/09/2025 08:04

Wait till you see what Israel did to Hind, Yusuf, Tariq, Sidra, Reem and countless other children. Your faith in humanity will entirely disappear. Try to imagine them as none brown/Palestinian kids which may elicit some emotion.

You don’t need to write as you do for the victims of Hamas and continue with the justification in that last line. There’s too much anger at innocent people.

Osmosisfreight · 22/09/2025 08:08

Namelessnelly · 22/09/2025 08:04

But it’s ok they were killed as long as they didn’t suffer?? What is wrong with you?

where did I say that was okay??? When I refer to no beheaded babies, I presume the babies that were claimed to have been didn’t exists in the first place, hence
my relief…..
what’s wrong with you thinking someone would be happy children are dead???!! Are you happy when Gazan children die?

Namelessnelly · 22/09/2025 08:10

Osmosisfreight · 22/09/2025 08:08

where did I say that was okay??? When I refer to no beheaded babies, I presume the babies that were claimed to have been didn’t exists in the first place, hence
my relief…..
what’s wrong with you thinking someone would be happy children are dead???!! Are you happy when Gazan children die?

No. I condemn both sides equally. Unlike a lot of pro Palestine supporters who seem to believe Hamas are justified for killing and kidnapping people.