Starmer’s support for Palestine

[Steph888]

Am I alone in seeing this as one of the darkest days in UK history?

Never before did I think I’d end up living under a government who reward terrorism.

Starmer and Labour are grotesque. History will not be kind to them. They have now empowered all terrorists and their supporters.

We deserve such better than this reprehensible government. They disgust me.

Explain what's despicable about my view, please?

Just curious. Where do you want them freed to?

Two wrongs do.not make a right. You can have every bit of compassion for the evils of October 7th and fully condemn the perpetrators whilst also recognising that dropping bombs on tents of sleeping children or shooting children in the head is also wrong.

Have a little read of your own comments. That should clear it up for you

The poster is wrong for speaking the truth of what’s happening?! Hamas are a disgusting Regime, on par with the Taliban, yet we are now potentially putting ourselves in the position of having to talk to these monsters. Utterly shameful.

I would welcome Palestinian refugees the same way we've welcomed Ukrainians

Like they had to "sit down" and negotiate the Good Friday agreement.

They will be well versed so in negotiating between two opposition views of invasion and occupation.

As long as it wouldn't damage the prime real estate land I agree with you. (Need those sea views for the casinos and condos once all those pesky Palestinans clear off.

This is just pointless, I do want there to be a Palestinian state living in peace alongside Israel one day. But ffs this is not a priority for the country this is just some stupid electioneering shit. It doesn’t actually mean anything.

Why don't they release the sausages hostages?

It would end things pretty fast?

The thing that I keep coming back to is that Hamas started a war. In war, horrible things happen. It was horrible when the Allies carpet bombed Dresden. Thousands of children sleeping in their beds. There is no such thing as a good war - innocent people are always going to suffer. Maybe some of Israel's actions constitute war crime, and I do think that countries should abide by the rules of war, and I hope that the truth comes out on these matters. But remember, "the first casualty of war is truth" - and you would be very stupid to assume that the Hamas propaganda being reported by the BBC is true.

Omg. I really hope not. Presumably if we are recognising them as a state, they have a home already and don’t need to come here to ‘escape’. Afterall, by your reasoning, it means that Hamas are absolutely an okay regime to lead their people. Apparently using your people as human shields and diverting aid makes them acceptable in Starmer’s world.

Because there are none left. They’ve been murdered/tortured/raped and discarded somewhere. Because thats what Hamas do….

Agreed - but what does the UK recognising Palestine achieve? I can’t see how it improves the chances for peace. The price Israel has demanded is the return of the hostages and Hamas won’t return them. It doesn’t justify violence against civilians but Hamas chooses not to fix it.

They released a 'proof of life' image today/yesterday of someone, but believing them on anything is a fools game, agree

I wouldn't report it, even though it's unwarranted abuse. I'd rather people see that you don't have an argument, only hatred.

I'm not a disgusting human being at all. I am a loving and kind person. I just don't see this war in the way that you do. The difference is that I am willing and able to put forward my arguments without hatred and abuse. Apparently most of my interlocutors are unable to say the same. Shame on you.

Hamas should have done this ages ago rather than film brutal torture with grave digging etc

Yes I thought that about the last lot of hostages released though and some of them were returned. It’s impossible to know.

Do you mean in your house?

No it wouldn't. In fact its their own bargaining tool left.

It wouldn't make a blind bit of difference. Israel would countinue to try to force them of their land.

And after the scenes in Gaza the Israel government only have themselves to blame for those hostages not being released.

They also dont really give two shits about them. They are pawns of the Israeli state as much as Hamas.

This has given them the perfect excuse to do what Benjamin Netanyahu has always wanted. To wipe out Palestines and claim the land. A sacrifice he is clearly glad to make of his own people.

Totally different scenario. Whilst the IRA were a horrible group of people, Northern Ireland are part of the UK, and we had to find a way to bring peace to our country. Gaza has no connection to the UK. We do not need to sit down with them. We shouldn’t insert ourselves into their problems. Next we’ll be welcoming the Taliban to number 10. Not our circus, so no we shouldn’t be put in the position of having to converse with terrorist regimes.

And who handed that ‘excuse’ to them, if that’s true?