Starmer’s support for Palestine

[Steph888]

Am I alone in seeing this as one of the darkest days in UK history?

Never before did I think I’d end up living under a government who reward terrorism.

Starmer and Labour are grotesque. History will not be kind to them. They have now empowered all terrorists and their supporters.

We deserve such better than this reprehensible government. They disgust me.

That would make the IDF the biggest terrorists going then!

Yes, the hostages should be free. Including the hundreds of Palestinians (including children) thrown into jail without charge or trial every year well before Oct 7. In the West Bank, where Hamas does not govern. That's if they're not killed or forcibly expelled from their homes to make way for a Jewish family from Texas.

Also, here's a quote from Netanyahu at a 2019 Likud party conference for you: "Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas ... This is part of our strategy – to isolate the Palestinians in Gaza from the Palestinians in the West Bank."

I have witnessed it. A family member of mine is a complete anti-semite and a total disgrace. We don't speak because of it.

It exists, it happens every day and I will always stand up for any Jewish person on the receiving end of it.

Never happened. What Israel might have resisted is pressure for yet another ceasefire in return for a few more hostages. For anything to change, this war has to end in victory not a chance for Hamas to rearm aka ceasefire.

If Hamas releases the hostages and surrenders, the war ends now.

This is exactly what I meant by my previous comment about them having been freed within days if that had been what the government had wanted.

Sadly, they’re more useful as “bargaining chips” than as individuals.

Exactly. It's reprehensible.

I'm Jewish and think this is long overdue. Palestinians deserve a state, they don't deserve to have the possibility taken away because of the awful action a minority took on 7 October on their behalf.

This is what it boils down to for me.

The people are paying with their lives for the actions of a small number of terrorists.

Nope. It's 44% of all age groups and rises to 65% for 18-24 and reduces to 37% for 65 plus.

If they are getting starved then there is a food distribution problem with the UN and other NGO's

If they are getting 'blown up' then that's due to Hamas using them as 'human shields'.

You forget that Hamas don't care. They want to destroy the State of Israel and aren't bothered who gets in the way.

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/israel-wont-end-gaza-war-even-if-hamas-releases-all-hostages-national-security-adviser/3236362

https://www.dailysabah.com/world/mid-east/netanyahu-wont-stop-gaza-war-even-if-hamas-releases-hostages

Trucks were stopped at the border , the UN couldn't get them to distribute.

How is dropped 500 pound bombs on a tented village of displaced people "human shields" ?

(IDF quite Keen on using human shields too btw)

Yes, I said I might be wrong about it being yougov and I'd dig into it. Then I found it was JL partners and gave you a share token for it.

He wants to land grab, for all I know he wants to avenge his brother, he wants to keep power, he is backed by ultra orthodox thugs and enabled by Trump.

I assume these figures are from the Daily Mail.

Exactly. None of their tactics have been in pursuit of hostages and they've only created conditions that put the hostages in danger from their relentless mass bombings and cutting off food and water.

Nope.

I know I read it.

Just saying it may not be representative of all polls, obviously it coincides with the numbers in the Daily Mail so it's just sampling of different groups of people .

Nah, just shooting and starving and terrorising them over many months.

Remember the doctor who was told her 5 children had been blown to bits while she was saving lives? Or the guy who went to register his twins birth and got home to find his wife and new borns dead?

You must be so proud.

We had a referendum , we voted NO incase you missed it.

Strange. I just went on to their website and their poll has these exact numbers.

Where did you get them from?

I want to preface this by saying I am Jewish and thoroughly ashamed of what our community has become.

If you only care about the murder and starvation of one set of people, you do not care about murder or starvation, you care about narrative.

Using the 7th October and the hostages to justify the mass killings, displacements, humiliation and collective punishment carried out by Israel on Gaza shows that you don’t care about war crimes, you care about narrative.

If your heart breaks for the images of starving hostages but not starving children clamouring for food, you don’t care about starvation as a weapon of war, you care about narrative.

If you were devastated when Hamas murdered innocent people in their homes, but not when Israel murdered innocent Palestinians in theirs, you don’t care about the murder of innocent people, you care about narrative.

If you mourned for the Bibas twins, but not poor Hind who was shot by the IDF while begging for someone to save her, you do not care about the death of innocent children, you care about narrative.

If you are equating the entire Palestinian people with Hamas and endorsing collective punishment of a population of over 2 million for the murder of 1195 people on 7 October, by that same logic, what punishment do the people of Israel deserve for the killings of 43990 civilians (using Israeli data), including 18,500 children? Especially when you consider compulsory military duty for the Israeli population who are therefore complicit in a genocide. Again, if you support mass deaths and collective punishment against one group of people, but not another, you don’t care about learning the lessons from the Holocaust, you care about narrative.

Is this a joke?

But these ordinary men and women of Palestine were fully behind Hamas.

@YourSpryOrca Thank you.