Do you feel that the Mumsnet demographic is more…..

[CurlewKate]

……left leaning or right leaning? I think it is more right leaning-AIBU?

"No one gets into trouble without his own help." ^^

Why are you referring to yourself in the third person? Why would you stay out of a discussion you started?

No, there are certain posters who automatically accuses anyone who disagrees with them of being a bot/far right. I'm not talking about hateful speech, I'm talking about anyone who opposes their world view.

That is just a word vomit of weird. Happy to answer individual points. Will start with your answer and your first one.

Women's spaces including sports are for women only, this does not mean people can assault someone they perceive as being in the wrong place.

Feminist women are NOT assaulting men. We're telling men to keep out at all times, and we want that clear rule enforced by authorities and establishments to protect women. You agree that is reasonable?

I don't give a shit what your sexual preferences are, be safe, consensual and keep them in the bedroom.

Agree.

I don't know about bots but we definitely have posters who get ChatGPT to write their posts. A few of them are in this thread.

If a poor marginalised group goes out of their way to use that to get away with things that would normally be called abuse then yes they will get the facts thrown in their faces. Transwomen are significantly more likely than men in general to be jailed for sexual offences yet we are expected to overlook that ? No. No amount of marginalisation allows you to take advantage of women

the really sad thing is that I do think transowmen are likely to see a lot of trouble, and they have alienated many women who would have supported them. If they were “ as men we would like to wear a dress and be called a pretty name” the average feminist would be supportive because it would be breaking down gender norms

It's definitely shifted rightwards in the time I've been here (20+ years). Whenever a story made the Daily Mail and there was a corresponding influx of users, they brought their views along. Also, as its got bigger, I suppose it's representing national views more which, I think are pretty conservative (small c) in the UK. I don't really look at politics threads anymore as I think they're clearly targetted by political activists.

I'll answer your question once you answer mine. Or are you a one issue poster?

Agree.

No, that's not true. What you see on FWR is women insisting boundaries, and pointing out in clear terms that men who refuse to respect women's boundaries are a danger to women.

Women and girls don't need to be inclusive and accommodating of men who will not take no for an answer.

That is a left-wing position, not a right-wing one.

Men aren’t a ‘vulnerable minority’. It’s not right wing for wanting women to retain their own sex based spaces and sports.

Well I can assure you that I haven't!

"There are two kinds of pride, both good and bad. 'Good pride' represents our dignity and self-respect. 'Bad pride' is the deadly sin of superiority that reeks of conceit and arrogance"

I’m not referring to myself in the third person! And I’m trying to stay out of the discussion because on THIS thread I’m interested in how people perceive Mumsnet in general, rather than the particular issues that are discussed on here. I don’t think people are always defined by particular attitudes- I, for example, am very left leaning, but also tending towards gender critical.

Suggestions! So you don't only spend your time scolding women on FWR

as a reminder you think 2 fully intact men shagging are having lesbian sex if they both identify was women so oddly I don't think much of what you think of is 'right' and 'left'

Well post one then.

I answered one. You answer one. I'm not answering a weird screed about Putin/Nazis/Musk/Farage/Trump, as I have no idea why you'd think I'd have views aligned with them just because I think women should be protected from men who don't respect women's boundaries.

It's not as left wing as it used to be. I think it's quite a good mix, I like reading opinions from across the political spectrum.

Haven’t had the benefit of being here for a decade, but I’d say it wasn’t left, more small c. This excludes the recent influx of weird very right wing posts which seem mostly guest appearances

It's been pretty right wing for a while from my perspective. There are many people who can't see their own privilege too and those types are often quite right wing as they don't get why the less fortunate/marginalised don't just pull themselves together and get on with it.

But you are! "I'm pretty sure OP did not mean...she was saying..." etc... but you are OP! And how can you be trying to resist a discussion you started?

Are you aware that not only can you no longer name change during a thread, but an OP's posts now highlighted even more clearly than they used to be?

We know you are the OP!

Yes, I agree, you see that all the time on here.

What makes you think I think you have those views?

This thread is asking if mnet is more right or left wing, I answered the question while responding to your challenge.

Fwr is not the only issue being discussed. An opinion on one subject doesn't mean you agree with the same people on others.

You wanted to know where people stood, I told you. I would like you to reciprocate in the spirit of openness and debate. You have chosen to try to turn this into a single issue rather than engaging with the thread objective.

She is talking about the OP on the thread on FWR

she isnt talking about this thread

Oh, I see. Thank you, and I apologise, @CurlewKate .

unhelpful, but i think different threads bring out different left or right responses.