To say love of dogs has GONE TOO FAR !!

[HildegardVonBingham]

DP’s grandparent’s 60th wedding anniversary, and we are all in the Lake District to celebrate. Every pub and cafe is crawling with wet dogs. We went out for dinner this evening and the pub was full of incessantly yapping dogs. A woman let her dogs piss all over the floor of the bar - disgusting. When confronted, she just turned on her heel and left. It is almost as bad in London - going to the loo in a pub is fraught with danger as you may run trip over the leash of a sausage dog with complex emotional needs and break your neck 😡😡😡 AIBU to say all dog owners should have to have a license and go on a civic sense training course at a minimum / be made to live in one big kennel with their mutts away from us at a maximum?

Dogs should be banned outright from all shops and eateries. There could be an area outside for people to tie their dogs up while they are eating or shopping.

Lucky you!

Admittedly it's calmed down now I'm past the accompanied by young children phase. Unfortunately a child's stress reaction tends to get interpereted by dogs as "I'm really exciting! Play with me" while the owner gushes about how "friendly" the dog is.
The DCs' fear reactions were caused by "friendly" dogs jumping up/ sniffing them in the face/ knocking them over/ gate crashing picnics.

Maybe dog owners get less bother from dogs because the dog goes to their dog instead of the human. I've certainly witnessed enough approaches of off-lead dogs approaching sensitive dogs on leads and distressing them.

I've had multiple incidents over the years because I'm a walker/ runner and the places that are good for me also work well for dog owners. The worst ones were being snapped on the hand (not full bite) and scratched by jumping. These were years apart, but still happened. Oh and the nobber who blamed us for taking an 8yo to a nature reserve the "dog walking woods" when his dog winded our child by jumping up (he overlooked the by-law to keep dogs on a lead)

90+% of dogs and their owners are fine, but there are enough lazy/ entitled owners who let their untrained nuisences ruin public spaces, which isn't good for anyone else including the responsible owners.

This is why Wetherspoons is so brilliant, or one of many reasons. We were refused entry with a friend's dog.

Villages and small towns are pretty much the heartlands of dog ownership.
My small coastal market town is a paradise for dogs both resident and visiting.

Perhaps if the independent cafes didn't allow dogs they wouldn't be profitable as I find the busiest cafes near me are full of people grabbing coffee, lunch or a beer on a dog walk.

its MN law there has to be a dog hating thread each week.

Maggie says hi btw

“I shouldn’t have to travel a long way to avoid dogs when I’ve got more than enough places to eat/have coffee within walking distance. That’s the entire point, things have gone too far when it’s a tiny minority that won’t allow dogs.”

Do you not see how extraordinarily entitled this opinion is, @NoSoapJustUseShowerGel ? I’m trying to “be kind”, but really, businesses should lose income so that you’re not inconvenienced?

Are you actually playing devil’s advocate?

"Ps are you seriously suggesting I should go to somewhere like Premier Inn or Greggs for my Saturday morning coffee?"

I wasn't suggesting anything to you. I was listing dog free places in response to the posters who say there are no dog free places.

Plenty of people do go to Greggs for their morning coffee. They sell coffee you know.

Sick to death of dogs and their fucking useless owners treating like fucking babies.
I used to love dogs but not any more so many entitled twats with untrained dogs where I live. They are animals and DO NOT get to sit on bus seats, cafe furniture and the other day a pub table! The landlord told them to remove it and it was to sit on the ground. The owner was most affronted but did as asked and moaned about it once he left. Someone else told her to 'shut the fuck up about your sodding dog'. she burst into tears and left with her friend.
Amen to that. Before anyone trots it out no one applauded.

And yet the point remains that those of us who want to avoid a side of dog hair with our coffee find it a difficult task.

Yes you actually posted it in direct response to my post, so by your reckoning I should have to choose sitting in a scummy Greggs if I want to avoid the dogs in all the nice independents.

I can't think I've ever had dog hair in a coffee in any cafe I've ever been in.
Have you? Did you complain?

@Mybeautifuldogs

lol. Dogs shouldn’t be eating off plates. And they cannot converse…though I think that’s a big part of why so many people claim to like dogs more than humans, they tolerate you whatever and don’t talk back.

There’s a difference between “with” and “in”, you know.

I’m not troll hunting, but @NoSoapJustUseShowerGel , does have the whiff of an agent provocateur about them…

And Gregg’s is NOT scummy. Great coffee, reasonable price. Wish they allowed dogs!

@Onleemoi

hahah, I like your sense of humour

Dogs do not belong everywhere.

I have many an argument with my partner who insists on taking ours to where I feel are inappropriate places, such as pubs which are really restaurants, and inside tiny cafes.

I feel that establishments really don't want them in there, but have no choice because nearly everyone has one .

I dislike Wetherspoons, but I admire their complete dog ban.

I absolutely agree, even though a dog owner myself, I’ve posted above about not taking my little dog to cafes etc. mainly because it’s not fun for her at all.
It has definitely gone too far….

So if it's not in your coffee, what's the harm?

Anyway, you have an independent dog free cafe in your local town so you're sorted.

I ducking hate cats, filthy bleeders shitting all over my garden! Give me a dog any day.

I had a human hair in my food once. People with hair are so entitled. They should stay out of places serving food.

It's actually become worse since lockdown, I'd say.

I notice it more because I get people parking in the bay in front of my house so that they can take their dogs to defecate in the football park up the hill from me. Some owners are responsible; others chuck the bags of excrement into adjacent gardens or leave the bare muck on the grass verges lining the path up to the park. It's become a significant problem. If I forget to put down Citrus Zoflora, I get it on my driveway too.

There are a good few dog friendly cafés and restaurants round my way (I live in a town, but several of the surrounding farms have cafés) and there are definitely more dogs now.

I don't mind when they're well-trained, but I really do object to dogs urinating inside - I've seen that both in cafés and (once) at the hairdresser's.

We've explained this to you a thousand times before. It is not safe to tie your dog up outside a shop. This is not 1954.

Yep and that one independent is always full so it’s hard to get a table (therefore I’m not “sorted”) - rather supports the argument that people enjoy their coffee in a dog-free environment and other businesses would do well to take note.

As for it’s not in your coffee so what’s the harm, this has been answered numerous times by me and others in this thread so try to keep up - the smell, the barking, the hair/muddy paws on clothes, the invasion of personal space, the allergic reactions and the staff touching dogs then immediately handling food and drinks.

Of course you're not curious. I think what you meant was not 'I am curious' but 'I am pointlessly snarky and judgmental'.

I sometimes called my children 'petal' or 'pumpkin' when they were little. I can assure you I was fully aware they were human. Also, I'm sure you are aware that it has always been perfectly normal to say 'Good boy/girl!' to a dog. Or even 'Who's a pretty boy!' to a parrot. There's really no need to disingenuously pretend you believe that people who say this don't know their dogs aren't human. Or that they are necessarily humanising them generally.

But I guess that’s something businesses are happy to turn a blind eye to, if they’re going to survive as a business. People who generally complain about dogs are the same people who probably visit the pub every couple of months, when dog owners might visit every week whilst on their regular walk.