To say love of dogs has GONE TOO FAR !!

[HildegardVonBingham]

DP’s grandparent’s 60th wedding anniversary, and we are all in the Lake District to celebrate. Every pub and cafe is crawling with wet dogs. We went out for dinner this evening and the pub was full of incessantly yapping dogs. A woman let her dogs piss all over the floor of the bar - disgusting. When confronted, she just turned on her heel and left. It is almost as bad in London - going to the loo in a pub is fraught with danger as you may run trip over the leash of a sausage dog with complex emotional needs and break your neck 😡😡😡 AIBU to say all dog owners should have to have a license and go on a civic sense training course at a minimum / be made to live in one big kennel with their mutts away from us at a maximum?

I agree about dogs not needing to be everywhere (especially food areas) and have never felt the need to take my dogs to a café.
No doubt there will at least 30 more threads on the topic over the next couple of weeks so you'll find yourself very supported here! Has to be the one of the most popular topics on MN.

Those people aren't inconsiderate wankers because they love dogs.

They are just inconsiderate wankers. They'd be that way regardless.

In fact, I'd argue they don't love their dogs as much as those who take proper care of them, ensure they are well trained, clean up after them, know where it is and is not appropriate to take them. Proper dog lovers take excellent care of their dogs and they are a delight to be around.

I'm 100% a cat person myself but I think dog lovers (and dogs!) get a lot of grief for the actions of people that I would argue are not actually good and caring dog owners.

And they are beautiful, @Mybeautifuldogs .

I just don’t get on these threads that people don’t understand that businesses are there to make a profit, and clearly allowing dogs brings in money!

I’m genuinely thinking of starting a website called ‘dogs not allowed’ as so many people seem to be unable to spend five minutes googling places to go that don’t allow dogs…

I work in a bar / restaurant that allows dogs. I like dogs. Up until recently had one of my own. It's not the dogs. It's the owners. If people can't work out that keeping their dog on an extending lead when people are busy carrying plates of hot food and trays of coffees around, they're too stupid to be allowed to look after another creature of any variety. I've almost tripped on more than one occasion because of this exact scenario.

Owner of two dogs here and I couldn't agree with you more! I love dogs, which is why I have two of them but I don't feel the need to drag them around everywhere I go. They are quite happy to be left at home for an hour or two and probably enjoy the peace. I don't mind seeing dogs in garden centres and if outdoor seating area of the cafe allow dogs, but I don't like seeing dogs inside of eating establishments.

It’s just that people are more likely to post about a bad experience than a good one ! I can’t imagine many threads such as AIBU to have seen a dog in a cafe today and nothing happened ? !!

Totally agree there is a time and a place but they are everywhere these days. Was in a pretty expensive restaurant a few weeks back, a rare treat these days with money being tight. Big fucking dog barking its head off, owners just think it is cute. Got to blame the restaurant though.

I never used to mind them, but I actively dislike them now. No one can be bothered to train them or clean up after them, it seems. I just find them gross 🤢

I don’t care how friendly you think your animal is - I don’t want it jumping on me. Just because you like it, doesn’t mean I have to.

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Dogs in pubs etc don't bother me in principle. It's the increasing anthropomorphism of dogs that's too much.

"But Buster loves to go to the cafe and have a puppcino"
"Yes! And Clifford here wants to toast my promotion with me with a pawsecco"

No. They do not. They're animals. They want appropriate food and exercise. You want to go to the pub. It's treating the pet like it's a human and ascribing it human responses that has confused it and made it neurotic. That's why you can't leave him alone. Not because he's sad you didn't buy him a doggy advent calendar or because he's jealous that his friend got an ice cream and he didn't.

Train your animal. Don't pretend it's a human child.

There’s a large cafe local to me that’s always busy and always loads of dogs in there (and often the incessant yapping too). What puzzles me though is they have lots of large pot plants dotted around and some of them are poisonous to dogs!

I like dogs, but I cannot understand the people who can’t leave their dogs at home for a few hours to go shopping, for lunch, for a drink etc are essentially just selfish pricks..

If your dog can’t be left alone for reasonable periods of time, then in most cases you’re probably a shite owner and shite dog trainer and likely have little to no idea about dog ownership.

I go to a "dog-friendly" pub most weeks. I have an awkward 45 mins to fill and the pub is well located and gives a nice bit of reading time with a drink.

Most weeks it's fine.

Dog 1 is hardly ever an issue.
The issues arise after the 2nd or 3rd dog comes in and the dogs start reacting with each other. There was one time that two dogs at the same table had issues with one dog constantly snapping at the other which was rather unpleasant.

Although it's near a park, it's not a "muddy boots" pub with well walked dogs ready for a quiet doze under the table.

It's just not a great environment for the dogs (or any other human) and their wellbeing is at the mercy of whoever else (and their dog) is about to walk in.

There are humans in cafes and pubs with far worse manners and are just as disgusting. Plus you have to listen to the bollocks they talk too.

I am sick of dogs. They are everywhere. On holiday recently most people had at least one dog. WhatsApp chats are flooded with pics of people’s dogs. And anyone who uses the term ‘fur baby’ or carries it around in a baby sling or pushes it in a pram can do one.

Sat outside a new bar in a city recently and there were maybe 6 tables right outside and on 3 of the tables were people with small/medium dogs. For context, the bar was mostly people 20-30y. All 3 dogs were having repeat yapping episodes. - 2 of which, the owners couldn’t help but almost brag about how their dog didn’t like other dogs, and this was why they yapped, every time they saw another dog (2 tables away).. They were putting the dogs onto the table tops and talking about them like they were toddlers.

It was fucking mind-blowing how thick these owners were - how blind to why their dogs were so yappy. Clearly they are neurotic and anxious and yapping as you’ve brought them to a noisy, busy city centre pub and are parading them on tables like a designer accessory and making endless excuses for the dogs behaviour, whilst chuffing away on cigarettes and downing 5 pints of craft IPA... Utter wankers.

It’s the shit smeared streets for me …literally dog land

Humans. That’s the problem.

there are people with dogs, and dog people.

there are people with kids, and kid people.

I’ve had one issue with person with dogs in holiday cottage.

nearly every booking, 95 percent, with kids have had damage.

disclaimer, I have four kids. 14 dogs.

Are you new here? We are welcome to call a cunt a cunt on Mumsnet….

This is such a ridiculous comment.. Do let us know when dogs start paying for holiday cottages though..

If you can just pop North Norfolk onto your list of places where dogs are welcome and places are dog friendly. Good girl! pats ops on the head and gives her a treat.

The dog moaning on Mumsnet is what's gone too far.

It's definitely the top repetitive thread for 2025 🥱

Although at least this one's amusingly dramatic, so at least there's that.

Why ridiculous?

ive ran it for years.

dog people, love their dogs. And respect and care for them. People with dogs do not. They appear, and they cause chaos.

same goes for kids, except I have found more people with kids cause chaos than dogs.

I find people a lot more of an issue than dogs in most situations.

And where did I say dogs pay?

I said humans are the issue. Which is what you are also saying? They have lost all concept of reality