To say love of dogs has GONE TOO FAR !!

[HildegardVonBingham]

DP’s grandparent’s 60th wedding anniversary, and we are all in the Lake District to celebrate. Every pub and cafe is crawling with wet dogs. We went out for dinner this evening and the pub was full of incessantly yapping dogs. A woman let her dogs piss all over the floor of the bar - disgusting. When confronted, she just turned on her heel and left. It is almost as bad in London - going to the loo in a pub is fraught with danger as you may run trip over the leash of a sausage dog with complex emotional needs and break your neck 😡😡😡 AIBU to say all dog owners should have to have a license and go on a civic sense training course at a minimum / be made to live in one big kennel with their mutts away from us at a maximum?

At least mine don't go anywhere other than to the park or up the hills.

I think dogs in this country get treated better than most humans.

It's like banging your head on a brick wall.

Mine never have either. Fields, woodland, moors. No shops, no cafes.
No furbaby crap either 🙄

I agree that dogs shouldn’t be in normal shops but in touristy places which are based on outdoorsy activities, it would be ridiculous to limit access. That’s the reason lots of people go there.

(It goes without saying that the dogs should be well behaved)

Clear signage would be good, then we can avoid the weirdos that don’t like dogs.

How nasty.

They behave better than humans

Some businesses do recognise that there's an issue. Our most frequented pub restaurant only allows dogs into a particular area: the main dining area (which is carpeted) doesn't allow dogs at all.

It is possible for dog owners to have a meal, but they must sit in the tiled area; there's a partition between the dining area and the rest of the establishment.

There used to be a sign stating that "well-behaved" dogs were allowed into all areas, but the business eventually gave up on that - too many doggy accidents on the carpets, I think. The change came after lockdown was lifted.

It's not possible to leave dogs in holiday lets, or tents, and not safe in motorhomes or caravans, so people who are on holiday don't have that option.
The holiday trade is important in many rural areas, and if dog owners weren't able to go in pubs and cafes, they simply wouldn't go there. A couple of decades ago, my ex and I, plus dogs, spent a week in a part of Somerset where the district council's environmental health policy was no dogs in any establishment that served food. It was a pain in the arse, and we never went back.

And maybe they just fancied a coffee on the way back from their walk?

@Tutorpuzzle

its not nasty to be perplexed by people who cannot go anywhere without their dog

@spicetails

if humans shat on the floor on the regular I would probably agree with you. But they don’t, so dogs don’t behave better than humans.

If you think humans don't foul the streets then you have clearly never been into the average large British town early on a Saturday morning.

Humans are definitely the problem.

In the 40 years that I've lived in this house, I've had one dirty nappy tossed in the garden, but umpteen plastic bags of dog excrement and also unbagged dog mess - all the fault of the humans in charge.

We noticed a huge difference in the lakes post Covid, as PP said it was always dog friendly but the dog owners were sensible
We were there last year and a landlady was telling us she’d had to ban dogs as customers were letting them sit on chairs, putting plates down for them to eat from etc. she’d received some awful reviews after asking people not to do these things and they had decided they should be fine letting their stinking wet dog on the couch as ‘they say they are dog friendly’ it’s selfish owners who ruin it for others

Dogs and humans are not held to the same standards as they are different species.

You obviously aren't part of a litter picking group.

We regularly find shat pants, human poo and dirty tissue paper, used nappies and on a couple of occasions someone has obviously sat on the sea wall and shat onto the beach throwing their used paper down after them.

Then there's the sick after a Saturday night on the ale and curry.

In the lay-bys where lorries/taxis/delivery drivers park up we find bottle after bottle full of piss.
It's really clear that human males will generally piss anywhere.

On one notable occasion through the letter box of our local wool shop.

Oh yes, I do take your point. I wasn't thinking that people don't realise that their dogs are not people, it just seemed strange for someone to post a picture of two dogs and say "here are my girls".
Anyway, it looks like I'm wrong and it's a normal thing to do.

Ah, I see, ok. I hadn't considered that people would ask what sex they are. Maybe I was over-thinking, as you say. My DD often tells me I do that!

I wasn't "bothered" by it as such, just interested in the possible reason - and it has no impact whatsoever on my life.

Because I want to buy a coffee, and I have my dog with me….i don’t see what you aren’t understanding? Unless of course you are being facetious?

wher was the parent of the child by the way? Surely they should have been keeping an eye on their kid- the number of people who touch my dog uninvited is bonkers. Luckily she is a massive tart and will, take fuss form pretty much anyone, but you shouldn’t touch a strange dog. Surely everyone knows that, it the same way that is a randomer touched my head or scratched my arse they would likely get a smack.

Me unfortunately and I like dogs. But not those ones

In canine circles the word "dog" generally refers to a male, so for pp to say "these are my dogs" it could be taken to suggest they are both male. As an example, in show terms you would have classes for dog and classes for bitch.

I refer to my current bitch as "my girl" not "my pet" because she is from working bloodlines so I feel that to speak of her as purely a pet is slightly misleading and again it gives people no indication whether the animal is male or female. It is very far from humanising them to refer to them as girls or boys and it does not mean we view them as children. There is always a great deal of anthropomorphisation by the non dog people here on mn, but largely not from the dog owners themselves.

@Keepingthingsinteresting

it’s not unreasonable for a parent to take their child into a coffee shop and assume they’re going to be safe and not bitten by a dog. What happened there is by no means the child’s fault or their parents fault. It is solely the dog owners fault.

Everywhere else seems fine but the moment they catch wind of a dog, drama follows. It’s officially Blame-the-Sniffer Syndrome… or, you know, just BS!

💯 Misery loves a keyboard, drama sells, and a dog in a café? MN meltdown guaranteed!