To ask if you agree with ‘the flag flyers’

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Plus if you’re also educated and at least middle income?

The only people I know personally that agree with Farage et al are from working class backgrounds and/or are generally not educated higher than GCSE level.

Granted this is quite a small snapshot but this includes friends of friends, acquaintances etc so wondering if my perception of the ‘typical Farage voter’ is correct or skewed.

Degree and professional qualification and no I don't agree.

The flags are a rascist calling card. We've never ever been a big flag waving nation. It isn't anything to do with patriotism.

The poorly educated are easy to manipulate that's why Donald Trump freely admitted smart people don't vote for him. I listened to Tim Hartford take apart Nigel Farage's lies about unemployment figures on More or Less earlier. The information is all out there but if you don't have the education or an enquiring mind you don't even look for it.

That said I do think you have to be fucking thick to believe Farage after he so provably lied about Brexit.

Done to death.

It has been, but then pretty much everything has been on this site. From parking in parent and child spaces without a child, to how often do you shower, to discussing how much costs have gone up, VAT on private school etc, it’s the same stuff over and over.

Be careful OP

You're in danger of sounding as though you're calling working class people 'thick'?

I'm quite sure this isn't your intention.

I don’t agree with them either but go look at any royal event like weddings and trooping of the colour and you will see flags everywhere so it’s not quite true to say that we aren’t a flag waving nation.

Degree, higher rate tax payer but always class myself as working class. Absolutely do not agree no.

I have a degree. Don’t agree with the flag flyers and have actively taken some down this week

No. I don’t agree. I would love to be proud of the flag but I feel ashamed. I am a higher rate taxpayer and undertaking an MA.

I don’t think the flag people are uneducated or thick. They are lacking opportunities or any real chance to progress. Farage and his acolytes are using and abusing them.

I feel quite sad really. The communities that are being more adversely affected by migration are the poorer ones. Working class people shouldn't be dismissed just because they might not have a degree. They're of equal worth as people and quite a few earn well and pay plenty of tax.

Personally I think it's illogical to allow hundreds of people into the country when we don't know their background or any criminal histories they might have. Plus I don't agree with islam as a belief system.

I have a professional qualification, but come from a working class background in a poorer part of the country. I don't vote for farage. The man's a grifter.

I don’t see anything wrong with the flags.

I have a degree, professional qualification and work in a professional job. I’m from
a working class background

I saw an interesting survey this week that ex private school pupils are much more likely to vote Labour than ex state school. Farage now represents the working class. And there's lots of them OP 😱

What is the definition of "poorly educated"? And are working-class people's opinions only deemed worthy if they have a degree? Not all intelligence can be measured by traditional academics. Many, many people struggle academically and go on to be successful in other careers or other parts of life.

I think only gullible people believe in sky fairies. I'm guessing there are many degree educated people who are religious!

As a working-class "poorly educated" (ONLY GCSEs - poor me ) I think most people flying flags are just jumping on the bandwagon. It's not something I'd ever do, but then all flags annoy me, whether they're St George, Palestinian, Israeli, rainbow or whatever.

Most working-class people aren't racist, unfortunately, Farage and co are tapping into the underlying current of discontent and constantly feeling put upon by the ordinary person.

I'm a lifelong Labour voter and very left-wing, but after seeing people claiming more in benefits than both DH and I earn combined, I can see why people are doing anything to be heard. I work in UC, and the number of people who are not from this country who manage to claim all kinds of benefits and then send the majority of it abroad is fucking appalling!

Compared to a case I dealt with earlier this week of a (British) man in his 40s who had had a nasty car accident 10 years ago. He has to live with his parents so they can care for him. He has a metal plate in his head, neurological damage that means he is mentally impaired in a lot of ways, had to have both his knees completely rebuilt and struggles to walk far. Yet he has been refused PIP twice and is only entitled to the standard allowance of £400pm of UC. He's expected to attend the JC regularly and prove he's been looking for work.

Last week I had a case of a man (not British born - won't say where, but he was white), who is entitled to UC LCWRA, PIP, and isn't expected to look for work. His "disability"? Depression.

The only people I know or know of that support Farage are either working class or uneducated or both. Not all of them are thick but some of those are. I just don’t know of anyone who doesn’t at least fall into one of those camps.

From personal experience. Hence the post to see if this is genuinely as it appears in my albeit small control group

No I don't agree because they are not about being proud of your country they are about intimidating people who are not English/British
All the people who fly the flag might not be racist but then organisers of the movement are

There are plenty of thick, upper-class, degree-educated people. Have you seen the Just Stop Oil dickheads throwing tomato soup on priceless artwork?

There are plenty of thick, upper-class, degree-educated people

There certainly are however I’m asking about a very specific subject.

So everyone else can wave their flags frantically in support of whatever they're passionate about....but not people who want Britain to be great again (& are 'working class & uneducated').
Odd concept...

We don't allow 100s of people to come into the country without a background check on their criminality.
And Islam as a belief system is just as acceptable as Christianity.
The issue is with extremists and they exist in every religion.

We already now that a lot of people on here consider those flying the fly, thick, racist, and other words that have racist connotations but consider themselves not in the least racist, xenophobic or white saviours.

So your sample and intention on here is already skewed towards your own beliefs and bias.

Whilst this exists there will never be a true discourse about it and those with the more extreme views will win

I have a degree in Biology and Microbiology, as well as a professional qualification. I’ve worked in a professional role for over 20 years. I would say I’m from a middle income family. I have two children who are state-school educated, but they also take part in extracurricular activities such as piano lessons, climbing, and ballet.

Do I agree with the flags? Yes, I do. The reason is that I’m fed up with being made to feel as though we should be ashamed of the Union Jack and the St George’s Cross. Every country has parts of its history that are regrettable, but that does not erase the good, nor should it mean that current generations are held responsible for events that happened centuries ago. A flag represents shared identity, pride, and belonging today, not the mistakes of the past.

A lot of people try to reduce this issue to racism, but I don’t believe that’s what it’s really about. To me, it feels far more like a rebellion against the left which often pushes the idea that national pride is somehow dangerous, outdated, or offensive. That kind of thinking leaves ordinary people feeling silenced and alienated. Flying the flag is not about hate, it’s about refusing to accept the narrative that loving your country is something to be embarrassed about.

I also can’t help wondering whether some of the negative narrative being pushed online against flying our national flag is actually deliberate. Could it be part of a wider attempt by rogue states like Russia, to weaken our sense of national identity? If, heaven forbid, we ever found ourselves in another world war, we would be on a much weaker footing if people felt ashamed of their country. After all, if you’re made to feel ashamed of your flag and ashamed to be British, you’re far less likely to want to stand up and fight for it. I genuinely suspect there could be an element of this at play, and it worries me.

People in other countries celebrate their flags openly without being branded racist, thick, or extreme. Why can’t we? Why should we be the only ones made to feel guilty for showing national pride? If anything, refusing to allow people that outlet just fuels resentment and division.

Yes, some of the sprayed-on crosses on roundabouts look scruffy, but the actual flags themselves look striking and dignified, especially the Union Jack. They symbolise unity, heritage, and belonging, and there is nothing wrong with being proud of that.

So the people who've lost their papers? I understand some ex Taliban have made it in and there's now a question over some of the Afghan migrants. Not to mention the economic migrants.

Islam is nothing like Christianity. Islam is not merely another religion.

WC ,no degree. I don't agree with racists.

I'm educated and middle class and no, I don't agree with the flags or Farrage. I'm traditionally a Labour voter if relevant. However, the working classes have more to lose than the middle classes when it comes to "uncontrolled" immigration. Asylum seekers are far more likely to be housed in their areas and if they are on a council house waiting list, they are going to be angry when social housing is given to migrants. I think that many of the posters who feel that allowing thousands of unchecked men into the country will have no repercussions or is even a good idea might feel very differently if they lived in disadvantaged areas.

Another fucking flag thread? Seriously OP.

Nothing wrong with a welsh dragon or three but not the rest. I realise of course that other nations may have different views on their own.