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To ask if you agree with ‘the flag flyers’

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Gobbledygook123 · 19/09/2025 17:54

Plus if you’re also educated and at least middle income?

The only people I know personally that agree with Farage et al are from working class backgrounds and/or are generally not educated higher than GCSE level.

Granted this is quite a small snapshot but this includes friends of friends, acquaintances etc so wondering if my perception of the ‘typical Farage voter’ is correct or skewed.

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Readyforslippers · 21/09/2025 05:20

I think the whole thing is ridiculous and born from ignorance and hate. My so called 'class' is irrelevant to that feeling.

sleepwouldbenice · 21/09/2025 10:39

Marchitectmummy · 20/09/2025 21:24

Read all of the manifestos of each party, Reform have included their proposed approaches to all of those things.

As with all political parties of course they won't achieve all they set out to do, but their intents are there and the councils they have taken control off they have already made savings.

Having worked with clients from local authorities, inefficiency is certainly an issue I can identify with

It's very well known that the numbers behind all their populist policies don't add up.. like Truss but much much worse

RoseAlone · 21/09/2025 11:12

1000% disagree with the flag flyers, they're despicable. Definitely the lower end of the socioeconomic demographic in our area, markedly so in fact.

MorningLarkEchoes · 21/09/2025 13:43

sleepwouldbenice · 21/09/2025 10:39

It's very well known that the numbers behind all their populist policies don't add up.. like Truss but much much worse

Like the policies of our current government? Hence why they are having to back track on their promise not to increase taxes on working people?

sleepwouldbenice · 21/09/2025 18:38

MorningLarkEchoes · 21/09/2025 13:43

Like the policies of our current government? Hence why they are having to back track on their promise not to increase taxes on working people?

If you think you'll wind me up criticising labour you'll fail
On a much much bigger scale than labours gap
Hence the markets reacted to Truss's budget far more than anything with labour
And reforms gap is much bigger than Truss's....

sleepwouldbenice · 21/09/2025 18:38

MorningLarkEchoes · 21/09/2025 13:43

Like the policies of our current government? Hence why they are having to back track on their promise not to increase taxes on working people?

If you think you'll wind me up criticising labour you'll fail
On a much much bigger scale than labours gap
Hence the markets reacted to Truss's budget far more than anything with labour
And reforms gap is much bigger than Truss's....

sleepwouldbenice · 21/09/2025 18:38

MorningLarkEchoes · 21/09/2025 13:43

Like the policies of our current government? Hence why they are having to back track on their promise not to increase taxes on working people?

If you think you'll wind me up criticising labour you'll fail
On a much much bigger scale than labours gap
Hence the markets reacted to Truss's budget far more than anything with labour
And reforms gap is much bigger than Truss's....

sleepwouldbenice · 21/09/2025 18:38

MorningLarkEchoes · 21/09/2025 13:43

Like the policies of our current government? Hence why they are having to back track on their promise not to increase taxes on working people?

If you think you'll wind me up criticising labour you'll fail
On a much much bigger scale than labours gap
Hence the markets reacted to Truss's budget far more than anything with labour
And reforms gap is much bigger than Truss's....

User37482 · 21/09/2025 18:46

Degree educated higher income, brown. Don’t particularly like Farage or people waving flags around generally (I don’t care what flag it is). It does seem slightly ridiculous to me that England is the only place I’ve been where flying the country flag is met with horror (ofcourse drapping the Palestinian flag everywhere is absolutely fiiiiine).

I full well understand why people connect it with racists (trust me I’ve had experience with this). But at the same time we do need to detoxify it at some point. You can’t let racists high jack your flag and I don’t believe for a second that everyone flying an england flag is a horrible racist.

Demarkation · 21/09/2025 19:53

Petrolitis · 19/09/2025 18:00

Degree and professional qualification and no I don't agree.

The flags are a rascist calling card. We've never ever been a big flag waving nation. It isn't anything to do with patriotism.

The poorly educated are easy to manipulate that's why Donald Trump freely admitted smart people don't vote for him. I listened to Tim Hartford take apart Nigel Farage's lies about unemployment figures on More or Less earlier. The information is all out there but if you don't have the education or an enquiring mind you don't even look for it.

That said I do think you have to be fucking thick to believe Farage after he so provably lied about Brexit.

Jesus Mary and Joseph middle class university brain washed fucktards if you dont respect the flag FUCK OFF and you dont have to educated to have common sense of which educated people clearly dont have any this is why the UK is currently FUCKED because of so called educated people FFS WTF TAF

StevieAnnSENMum · 21/09/2025 19:59

Demarkation · 21/09/2025 19:53

Jesus Mary and Joseph middle class university brain washed fucktards if you dont respect the flag FUCK OFF and you dont have to educated to have common sense of which educated people clearly dont have any this is why the UK is currently FUCKED because of so called educated people FFS WTF TAF

People respect the flag, generally.

What they don't respect is the racist reasons that are behind the flying of the flag, currently

autumnsessions · 21/09/2025 20:06

StevieAnnSENMum · 21/09/2025 19:59

People respect the flag, generally.

What they don't respect is the racist reasons that are behind the flying of the flag, currently

No, people don't respect the flag especially when it's being forced upon them (speaks someone from NI). I love this country, but I despise the flag.

StevieAnnSENMum · 21/09/2025 20:13

autumnsessions · 21/09/2025 20:06

No, people don't respect the flag especially when it's being forced upon them (speaks someone from NI). I love this country, but I despise the flag.

That's why I said "generally". As in, generally people do, but not everyone.

autumnsessions · 21/09/2025 20:35

StevieAnnSENMum · 21/09/2025 20:13

That's why I said "generally". As in, generally people do, but not everyone.

Means nothing. You just made that up! What does generally mean - 50% more or less - where’s the evidence? Just more generalisations of what you believe!

StevieAnnSENMum · 21/09/2025 20:50

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Avie29 · 22/09/2025 07:16

Ok so i don’t fly the flag, but in my opinion flying the flag has less to do with immigration than it does our own people being worried or ashamed of flying our flag incase it offends foreigners, so the people taking down the flags are exactly the reason they are being flown in the first place.
we as a country should not feel ashamed of flying our flag and should not have to worry who might be offended if they see it.
its not a racist symbol, it is people being fed up of feeling ashamed to show our patriotism because of British people not immigrants, i haven’t heard of any immigrants having issues with our flag but kids are being told not to wear the flag to school by our British education system.
it is generally British people who are taking down the flags, so personally i think its not really the immigrants this whole thing is aimed at its our own being to scared to fly our flag for no good reason.

ReyRey12 · 22/09/2025 09:16

I have mixed feelings about the flg flying. I do find cheap flags put of on lamp posts with zip ties to be ridiculous or when it is just thrown out of the window? Yes. Do I appreciate when people have a flagpole and they properly have their flag out? Yes. Is it wrong to be patriotic and should you be ashamed to fly your flag? No. Should peope be ripping the cheap flags when they see one? No.

I don't like it when flags become part of symbolising hate like this. People should be allowed to fly their flags. And I disagree that UK is not a flag flying nation. Whenever there is a national holiday, flags everywhere. When there is a sports competition. Flags everywhere. Cornish flags all over Cornwall, Welsh flags around Wales. Union Jack merch around. One of our neighbours door is a union jack (and has been for a decade).

The trouble for me with the flag flying is that there is no consensus what it means. It can mean they only want white brits around, it might mean that they want more controlled immigration or "stop the boats", it might mean they don't like that flag has become a symbol of hate so they are flying it for that, they might be very into womens rugby, they want to send a message to government etc. I've only spoken to few about this and they all say it is because they don't like that they have to apologise for being british.

I do think it is important to think why it has gotten to this point. People are dissatisfied and this rise of populism has happened all over the world. When traditional politicians don't make things better, what else is there for the general public to do?

I don't know anyone who has out loud said that they support Farage but I remember when Brexit was finally happening (years after the vote), I moved to UK to get a degree. Every Brit I spoke about it was pro-Brexit and these were younger masters degree students (I was a mature student). I think at the time it was claimed that they were as a demographic the most anti-Brexit, but not with my anecdotal evidence. So Im assuming same thing with Farage.

MorningLarkEchoes · 22/09/2025 14:20

sleepwouldbenice · 21/09/2025 18:38

If you think you'll wind me up criticising labour you'll fail
On a much much bigger scale than labours gap
Hence the markets reacted to Truss's budget far more than anything with labour
And reforms gap is much bigger than Truss's....

I don’t care if it winds you up or not. I’m just stating a fact. Also, when Labour won the election last year, they announced there was a £22bn gap in the budget. That has now grown to over £50bn, and I don’t seem to notice any Labour MPs mentioning the inherited budget gap anymore. Wonder why?

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