Backlash against Trans women

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(Story on ITV news about drag performer who died after taking drug ketamine, not suicide, just a regular user it seems who took more than usual.) Thus post isn't about him.

Anyway, bloke during story moaned that 'we are currently seeing a backlash against trans at the moment, particularly trans women' (men), and 'that's not a world I want to live in'.

I mean seriously, the TRA has been abusive to women for years for even mentioning any concerns, yet now trans women are victims (again). Perpetual victims it seems. These men are frankly ridiculous. I get fed up of the men in dresses and their victimhood.

Ye gods! You ignore so much to maintain your somewhat blissful ignorance!

Are the girls being forced to change in front of a male a non issue?

Are the nurses forced to share their changing room with a TIM, a non issue.

Are the rape victims forced to call their male rapist 'she/her' a non issue.

I could go on and on with all theae 'non issues'. Are you genuinely that ignorant to what has been happening?

Can you give any examples of that actually happening except for saying that it is and hypothetical. No one is ever forced to change in front of anyone.

The sooner people stop whining and complaining on behalf of others the better. This was NEVER an issue 15 years ago, nor does it need to be one now. No laws have been changed so what's all the needless upset and hysteria about?

@Alicealig
Your wilful disregard of the facts around the Sandie Peggie Case, the Darlington Nurses case in the British Isles
or the Lia Thomas case in the USA
or the women raped by 'trans' inmates in US prisons
is astounding.

Your entitlement is obvious.

15 years ago Stonewall had not taken on the campaigning for people with transgender identities. That happened around 2016 I believe. That is when they started tying policy recommendations that were ‘acting ahead of a law change’ were to their diversity awards schemes.

This has been discussed in court in the Allison Bailey trial where it became apparent that Stonewall advice was not the expert advice they told their clients it was. That caused many organisations to start to withdraw their support and drop out of their diversity award schemes.

Because of the actions of Stonewall, there are many organisations who now have policies that do not follow the EA 2010. You will see many organisations are now still holding off making the changes to bring their policies in line with the law. They are waiting for the EHRC final guidance to pass through the parliamentary process. Even knowing that the EHRC has stated that this final guidance is not going to change from their initial press release after the Supreme Court hearing.

If you want examples of where women have been directly harmed here are a few.

NHS Fife is currently in the news because they allowed a male doctor to change in the female changing room. One nurse complained as soon as she found him there and was told that he was allowed to be there because he was a woman. The nurse couldn’t change the toilet as this is unhygienic. There is another case starting where a group of nurses are taking NHS Darlington to trial for allowing a male person access to their changing room.

Recently a woman won a settlement with a Brighton rape crisis centre because she asked for a female only rape crisis group. She had attended what she believed would be a female only group to find a male included. She asked the centre and was told she was now excluded from the centre completely. She had just settled this case. Why did she have to go through this additional trauma for years? She should never have had to.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5381615-sarah-summers-wins-single-sex-provision-for-rpe-support-in-brighton-hove?flipped=1&page=1

Here is one group of girls who had to change while a male person walked through their changing room at a swim meet. Considering competitive swimmers take a long time to get their swim costume on, of course there were girls in that room in various stages of undress.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4859990-pool-rules-changed-after-outcry-over-trans-official-in-change-room?page=1

Here are many cases of male people causing harm to female people.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3348290-It-will-never-happen-resource-thread?page=1

and here are more

https://reduxx.info

Non of those examples were a case of any woman being forced to undress in front of men of being forced to call their rapists she.

Not sure where any entitlement would come in. I'm not a believer that men should be in women's sport. However there's no need to make up scenarios that just aren't or have never been considered Issues worthy of considsring to the degree that they are.

Nor me. They are biological men with a penis, whatever they choose to identify as. 🤷‍♀️

What do you think the cases of Peggie and the Darlington nurses are about - they are entirely about women having to get undressed in front of trans identified males. Please tell us what YOU think they are about.

lia Thomas - as well as cheating on the women’s team shared showers and changing rooms with the young women and walked around with an erection. Women who complained were disciplined.

The Lia Thomas case was indeed about women being forced to undress in front of a man. The women who complained were threatened with expulsion from their swim teams, some of them on scholarship requiring them to be on those swim teams. That is coercion. That is force. There was no usable alternative offered for them.

Not a rape victim but here is an assault victim that had to use female pronouns for her attacker in court.

https://www.feministcurrent.com/2018/06/21/interview-maria-maclauchlan-gra-aftermath-assault-speakers-corner/

It was due to the Benchbook guiding judicial procedure. Here is an article about the first changes back towards allowing women to use sex based language in court in their testimony.

www.legalfeminist.org.uk/2022/01/03/the-new-interim-version-of-the-equal-treatment-bench-book/

https://archive.is/dWF1z

“I was sexually assaulted in a women's prison... by a fellow inmate with male genitalia'

'When J went for a shower, the prison put a sign on the door saying that no one else should enter, because they knew it could upset the women if they saw her naked, but J objected to this and said it was an infringement of her human rights,' says Amy.

'She said, 'I am a woman and I want to shower with other women.' Just before she assaulted me, she was seen with the shower curtain open, her genitals in full view of the other women.'

Here is another female prisoner who lost four years parole opportunity due to her not using the preferred language of a male prisoner who was in the female prison.

www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/female-prisoner-claims-blocked-parole-35282330.amp

You mean this murderer who killed a man with a pair of scissors? Oh its so terrible they didnt let her free sooner!

You mean this murderer who killed a man with a pair of scissors? Oh its so terrible they didnt let her free sooner!

Also I don’t believe that trans people make up as much as 0.5% of the population. That would mean there’d be about 300 in the smallish town where I live. Nah, I’m not buying it.

i would love to see realistic, robust reliable stats on how many trans people there are. Not least because it helps councils/governments etc allocate funding for whatever it is they think they don't have.

But the TRAs have shot themselves in the foot there - i am experiencing schadenfreude by the bucketload here - because they insist on only gathering non-realistic, non-robust and non-reliable data. Their insistance on only documenting "gender ID" rather than sex (binary) and then if they want, the indication that they have a trans ID which is opposite to their natal sex, means that they can't make ANY claims about numbers. And if they do? all we need to say is: show us the data.

Their dogged insistance that nobody can tell because they all pass, coupled with their dogged insistance that Sex Realistic (sometimes known as GC) people are trying to eradicate them is a tautology.

I'm over it now. I call a man a man, and the term trans-identified-man or man-who-says-he's a woman (or TIW etc).

And yet she was blocked from receiving the process of the justice system for not using the preferred language of a male prisoner who is in the female prison with her.

If you cannot see the injustice of that situation, I suspect your prejudice is very entrenched.

So, let me get this right… only good and pure women deserve to be treated with respect and to have not only single sex provisions but to receive the justice process that everyone is entitled to? Good to know.

in the words of the TRAs: educate yourself.

And if you wouldn't mind not using stupid sexist language like "hysteria" to describe a reaction to men in women's spaces, that would be just grand.

Should we start posting the examples from sport where women are being disadvantaged and harmed by the inclusion of male people in female sports events?

I mean, we can keep posting examples of where women and girls are being not just disadvantaged but actively harmed by the demand to treat male people as if they are female. I doubt we will convince you, but it will certainly highlight how women and girls are being disadvantaged.

Was the drag performer trans ? I don't think i understand your post.

in this thread. THIS BLOODY THREAD there is a report of girls at a school in the US being literally forced to do it.

But you are wilfully not seeing any of this. And so we have no need to listen to any of your weasel words.

She was likely kept in prison because shes a violent murderer who couldn't obey prison rules. What other female murderers do you excuse and want back on our streets?

No. She was refused parole because she refused to call a man a woman.

She believes it was. More likely her history of violence and dependency. But let's pretend the woman who butchered a man to death was only kept in prison because she wouldn't call a man a woman

What part of “she was denied being able to apply for parole” did you not understand?

This is different to ‘she was denied parole’. She was denied being able to apply.

But do keep showing how you believe that only good and pure female people should have access to the justice system and due process. Considering you also stated on another thread that you believe female people should have single sex spaces, would you like to comment on the fact that this male prisoner was in the female prison?

Or are female prisoners to be denied safety from male prisoners as well?

She believes it was. There is nothing to say that except the word of woman who butchered someone to death. A murderer