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Is this racist

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Whoiam · 17/09/2025 18:57

I am seeing many posts about Charlie Kirk being racist. I also note that there are references to his stance on DEI.

I am interested, is this racist nowadays?

https://youtube.com/shorts/8HDYrISA1TY?si=m7vBABFnGn-6uqBy

YABU- yes
YANBU-no

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https://youtube.com/shorts/8HDYrISA1TY?si=m7vBABFnGn-6uqBy

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ThisCalmLimeZebra · 20/09/2025 12:42

BoredZelda · 19/09/2025 19:51

I’ll try this once more. The fact that there is an over-representation of white men in employment, as far as you are concerned is purely because diverse candidates haven’t been good enough? You think Merit Man’s race plays absolutely no part in him getting the job? None at all?

This is an interesting comment (along with several others), are you saying it’s okay to discriminate against people based on race and sex as there is an ‘over representation of white men in employment’ ? So there are too many white men in employment and this need to be addressed?

Doesn’t this really go against the narrative of immigrants not taking peoples job? The fact that there are schemes in place to actually help people take employment opportunities if you are not the correct race or sex in order to address the ‘over representation of white men in employment’? I think it’s quite obvious why the polls are the way they are at the moment, it’s really quite a nasty worldview behind all this.

How do you justify this and how do you expect people in the wrong demographic or parents of children in the wrong demographic to feel about this thinking?

Mustbethat · 20/09/2025 17:38

RingoJuice · 20/09/2025 06:56

I remember that we were pushed to consider STEM careers, speakers coming in and practically begging us to do science-related careers. Practically crying when we said we wanted to study things like sociology and psychology 😆

It just wasn’t going to happen. Why would
we enter a field we weren’t particularly interested in to make other people happy?

I think it’s no coincidence that numbers are more evenly split in developing countries. When you are poorer, personal interest is not as meaningful as a good paycheck.

In a developed country, you are more likely to ‘follow your bliss’ and do something you actually like doing.

If it’s a money thing and the luxury of choice, why is the uptake of science and maths significantly higher in girls single sex schools? Which are generally private so it can’t be a “luxury of choice” thing. Figures are closer to those of developing countries, so that would argue against your theory.

i was the opposite, like I said earlier. I liked stem subjects, but even 30 years ago it was incredibly difficult in a co-ed school to be “different” and stand up against the herd and join what were effectively all boys classes. Away from my friends, usually sat alone, with teachers who were puzzled at best or openly said girls couldn’t do science at worst.

my husband likes art, history, and has very little interest in science. My kids are the same, although they are good at maths.

bear in mind computer science was originally a “female” subject, until men realised the potential and women were blocked as men took over their jobs.

i’ve even heard it from primary school teachers. Boys are just naturally better at maths, girls just work harder to keep up.

it isn’t a “women naturally prefer the arts”, it’s women are socialised into thinking they aren’t good at STEM and often sway against it because that’s what their friends are doing.

i remember the push into STEM as well. It wasn’t about taking subjects you weren’t interested in, it was about making girls realise it was an option, it shouldn’t be a boys only domain, and women are perfectly able to have a career in STEM if they wish.

RingoJuice · 20/09/2025 18:28

Mustbethat · 20/09/2025 17:38

If it’s a money thing and the luxury of choice, why is the uptake of science and maths significantly higher in girls single sex schools? Which are generally private so it can’t be a “luxury of choice” thing. Figures are closer to those of developing countries, so that would argue against your theory.

i was the opposite, like I said earlier. I liked stem subjects, but even 30 years ago it was incredibly difficult in a co-ed school to be “different” and stand up against the herd and join what were effectively all boys classes. Away from my friends, usually sat alone, with teachers who were puzzled at best or openly said girls couldn’t do science at worst.

my husband likes art, history, and has very little interest in science. My kids are the same, although they are good at maths.

bear in mind computer science was originally a “female” subject, until men realised the potential and women were blocked as men took over their jobs.

i’ve even heard it from primary school teachers. Boys are just naturally better at maths, girls just work harder to keep up.

it isn’t a “women naturally prefer the arts”, it’s women are socialised into thinking they aren’t good at STEM and often sway against it because that’s what their friends are doing.

i remember the push into STEM as well. It wasn’t about taking subjects you weren’t interested in, it was about making girls realise it was an option, it shouldn’t be a boys only domain, and women are perfectly able to have a career in STEM if they wish.

We weren’t bad at STEM. We generally got better grades than the boys.

It was purely down to preference.

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