Is this racist

[Whoiam]

I am seeing many posts about Charlie Kirk being racist. I also note that there are references to his stance on DEI.

I am interested, is this racist nowadays?

https://youtube.com/shorts/8HDYrISA1TY?si=m7vBABFnGn-6uqBy

YABU- yes
YANBU-no

I think its probably a bit much to extrapolate from the fact that I personally can't give you detailed answers to your questions about the policies of every sector with DEI, that no one knows what they're talking about and no one is capable of operating a fair policy.
You would need to look much more deeply into a given business or organisation to understand what exactly they were doing to increase diversity and why, I think, and then come back fully informed, with some real examples of where you thought it was going wrong and who was being harmed.

Large parts of the NHS are behaving unlawfully and unethically in many ways - I’m sure a bit of anti-white discrimination in the name of righteousness is no big deal for them. It seems to be partially in the recruitment policies. So just because PPs haven’t seen it personally doesn’t mean it’s not happening in practice.

From the article about this :

NHS trusts “discriminate” against white job applicants by manipulating interview shortlists in favour of black and ethnic minority candidates, The Telegraph can reveal.
NHS England documents encourage the use of the Rooney Rule – an American football policy that makes it mandatory for ethnic minorities to be shortlisted for interviews if they apply.
Other so-called inclusive recruitment practices range from making managers justify hiring white British nationals to using race as a “tie-breaker”.
An NHS hospital in Liverpool admitted it had previously used “positive discrimination” to shortlist applicants from minority backgrounds.
The disclosure is the latest in a growing row over “racist” hiring policies being pursued by public sector services following a decision by West Yorkshire Police to temporarily block applications from white Britons.

And you have conveniently ignored all the other organisations that have been caught doing worse. WY Fire Service, the RAF, MI5/6 and GCHQ. There is very likely to be far more, they just haven’t got caught out yet.

Exactly, are young people going to be deciding their careers on where there is a quota shortage of their skin colour or sex? What if that quota changes half way through their career? This is just one area of growing frustration where far left wing nonsensical dogma has been allowed to seep into our institutions unchallenged.

Or maybe you could do that before promoting it as a practice? To understand what you are supporting.

I have seen enough from the court cases and reports and my own experience of working in corporate jobs to know that far too many DDEI ‘initiatives’ are ill informed, arbitrary and just done to tick the required virtue signalling boxes.

It is just wildly optimistic to attribute so many noble aims across the board when we can see such frequency of major failings.

The Telegraph? I'm going to need a link to their source. Because our shortlisting is blind.

I can't speak for other services, but I have a family member in the fire service, and looking at who gets promoted in her brigade it's all white men - despite superior female candidates being available. Often there's no recruitment process at all, people are parachuted in because it's 'an emergency ' and it's quietly formalised later.

Do you seriously think that sexist and racist recruitment practices do not happen?

They have a playing field, his point was that it's unnecessary and in itself racist. The guy has never made a single racist or inflammatory comment in his life he was very moderate. One of the genuine good guys. RIP Charlie so sad.

Talking about 'prowling blacks' isn't racist? Point me to where he also talked about 'prowling whites'.

What he said wasn’t racist if you just take his words. However, what he is failing to understand is that currently and historically hiring has been racist, sexist and classist. Even subconsciously.

He is aligning DEI with positive discrimination which is inaccurate.

So the message is inciting anger towards all non-white males.

Have you heard of the phrase “where there’s a will there’s a way”?

They have obviously managed it somehow and NHS England has documented it so….

From the article about this :
NHS trusts “discriminate” against white job applicants by manipulating interview shortlists in favour of black and ethnic minority candidates, The Telegraph can reveal.
NHS England documents encourage the use of the Rooney Rule – an American football policy that makes it mandatory for ethnic minorities to be shortlisted for interviews if they apply.
Other so-called inclusive recruitment practices range from making managers justify hiring white British nationals to using race as a “tie-breaker”.
An NHS hospital in Liverpool admitted it had previously used “positive discrimination” to shortlist applicants from minority backgrounds.
The disclosure is the latest in a growing row over “racist” hiring policies being pursued by public sector services following a decision by West Yorkshire Police to temporarily block applications from white Britons.

If you think a racist, misogynistic, Islamophobic far righter is 'moderate' then lord help you.

He tried to present the acceptable face of far rightism but his true face always spilled out, you can see him smirk as he fools the gullible.

Off the top of my head he said 'stupid Muslims', that Gazans should be thrown off buildings, that Jews are responsible for immigration policies, that 'prowling blacks' are out to attack white people, that women should have babies instead of going to college, and if they do go to college, it should be to meet a husband.

If that's a good guy, please don't tell us your definition of a bad man.

They may happen but just because they happen doesn't give licence to therefore MAKE recruiting sexist and racist. Very few women make it into, or want to be in the fire service. It's a very demanding job that most women are unlikely to able to do as competently as the men. I would expect it be a rarity to see women promoted unless it was because they were a women. Peoples lives are at stake during rescue operations, this isn't the time or the place to be raising feminist stuff.

You do realise there are many non firefighter roles in the fire service, don't you? Roles where physicality doesn't come into it? Roles females do brilliantly every day? And yet those roles are given to white males without a proper recruitment process when more qualified and experienced female workers are available.

It's not good for anyone to prowl but if he was talking about prowling blacks that's not racist. You clearly are unable to give a single example of anything bad he's said, you've just said he has said them and then listed a number of things he said that weren't at all bad. What's wrong with believing that women should go to college to meet a husband and being up a family? He's actually got a fair point on the stats on the misery of modern women thinking it's all about career instead of focusing on the main reason we are put on the earth to begin with, which is to bear children and should be at the foundation.

What roles in the fire service aren't physical or where physical fitness is irrelevant?

Wow. Just wow. Showing your true colours there Alice!

Back in the day DIE (or DEI if you prefer) was called Positive Discrimination. That was it's actual term. Yep. True.

That's because it is discrimination. And that cannot be argued.

Blind resumes up to the point of interview and ONLY merit based hires is the only way to go.

Procurement. Fleet management. HR. Finance. Legal services. Recruitment.

I am not going to take you seriously any more, because if you didn't realise that all services need office support, you lack knowledge of how the world works. You probably think everyone in the NHSis a doctor or a nurse.

Alice probably also thinks male headship is great.

I have sufficient understanding to support the principle, and sufficient knowledge of how it works in my sector to remain supportive. And given my views align with the current status quo, which does allow for positive action for DEI purposes, I'm not required to convince anyone. As the person who seeks change, the onus is on you to justify your position by convincing others there is a need for it. I am at liberty just to carry on working within policies I agree with.

Just like with Charlie, it never takes long for them to show.

Dear lord!
You are a man aren't you.

I don't know how one could define headship as necessarily great but I know that on the whole and in general men do excel in leadership roles as they lean towards having more related emotions whereas women

We know this to be true as we must all have heard a woman say at some point "omg look I'm crying and I don't even know why", whereas men seem to be able to regulate their emotions more reliably which is important in leadership and management of people.

It goes without saying that women excel in other areas better than men too as there are always those whose emotions seem to slip when someone posts anything they don't like at first glance about gender differences.

I don't know why you would feel that I need to be a male to hold completely normal views that judging by your response, or lack of it are simply irrefutable facts and logic. Although I am obviously aware there is a certain subset of radical feminist, and usually, I might add, very unhappy, angry women seem to dislike anyone stating.

yes man!

DEI officer