Is this racist

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I am seeing many posts about Charlie Kirk being racist. I also note that there are references to his stance on DEI.

I am interested, is this racist nowadays?

https://youtube.com/shorts/8HDYrISA1TY?si=m7vBABFnGn-6uqBy

YABU- yes
YANBU-no

I have never heard a woman say that at work. Saying 'we know this to be true' does not make something true.

Male inability to deal adequately with emotion is why they are more likely to commit suicide than females. Not healthy at all.

Did you read my reply? Do you know anything about how the fire service operates? (This is a rhetorical question).

So, not just a man's job, but a young man's job then? Because if its physical ability that makes a person best suited to seniority in the fire service, it should really be headed by a 6' 2" 25 year old?

The Telegraph? I'm going to need a link to their source.*

I’m not sure they give them but they did reference NHSE documents.

West Yorkshire fire service were found to be discriminating against white men.

Do you seriously think that sexist and racist recruitment practices do not happen?

I don’t understand your point - I’m saying they DO happen, sometimes in the name of DEI 🤷‍♀️

So because you perceive it to work in your sector, you are happy to support its use as a justification for discrimination across the board?

This is why we need proper conversations about it.

I do not deny that there are some roles that have to be separated by sex because of the physicality of them. And yes, I absolutely DO want front line firemen to be men, I won't in any way apologise for that and everybody knows why without playing silly buggers about it.

However, I do find it funny when men play the "logic" and less emotional card and then I look around at all the men around the world logically raping women, kicking the living shit out of one another, starting bar fights, and logically and unemotionally starting wars all over the world and think - er, no.

No, the idea that positive action is discrimination is your opinion. You opinion does not make it so. The law allows for positive action but not discrimination, so clearly differentiates between the two. I already suggested the ACAS resources that explains in simple terms how this works.
I'm happy my sector operates within the law, and I'm happy with the law as it stands. I allow for the fact that other sectors have not always operated within the law and positive action has strayed into discrimination. However I do not feel that the occasional failure to understand how a policy should be implemented means we should dispense with the policy altogether.

I am a little more nuanced about female firefighters. As long as they can pass exactly the same physical criteria (and some will), I'm fine with them. But I wasn't talking about front line roles, and some on here don't seem to know all services have non front line roles.

I agree that there are many roles in the fire service which can equally be filled by men and women.

There are no women who would pass the physical requirements for a fireman as they stood in the 80s and 90s. Only since the advent of positive discrimination and the physical requirements being diluted and lessened has this happened.

But anyway, on this we mainly agree it seems.

Yes DEI officer wound not be considered a front line role.

Very funny. What about all the other very real roles I mentioned? Why should they go exclusively to white men?

No I don’t think race should never really be a factor in employment opportunities and sex really only in rare circumstances.

I’ve revealed a bit too much personal info there .

But that isn't what I'm talking about. This is a situation where less qualified and experienced men are being promoted over more qualified and experienced women, without an interview process.

Me too.

Have we forgotten the population is majority white?

Of course not. But when the population is 81% white and the people holding the top jobs are 98% white then something is going wrong in terms of opportunities for people who are not white. Same with socioeconomic status: when the population is 40% working class but the holders of the top jobs are 98% middle and upper class, then something is going wrong in terms of access to opportunity. It isn't about giving people top jobs unearned. It's about giving people access to the things they need in order to be able to earn those top jobs.

You like to talk about your own background - were you raised in a household with married parents? Did you have people modelling the virtues of hard work and study? Were you encouraged to always do your homework? Did you have food to eat, a safe place to sleep and study? Clean clothes to wear and access to good hygiene?

There are far too many people in the UK who do not have those things. If you are a child growing up in a household like that, you do not have the same chance of getting a good education and a top job as someone who does have a safe, comfortable home and good parenting. Ideally we would be addressing that in childhood, but the previous government abolished SureStart and gutted council funding, and so things got worse.

But there are talented young people in those chaotic homes. Why is it bad to identify them, support them to work hard, give them a hand up?

Don’t worry, the left have a plan for that non existent problem as well.

Holy Sexism Batman.

Also if men were able to “better regulate their emotions” there would not be far more male prisons than female.

Could you please clarify that you are in fact talking about the Great Replacement conspiracy theory here? Because if you are, I will know that there's no point discussing anything further with you. Thanks so much.

Very true. Men are so brilliantly able to regulate their emotions that they commit the majority of violent crimes. Clearly they are superior and we must bow to their great leadership.

Just over 60%. But that does not mean representation in certain roles reflects that.

I was taking about mass immigration and taxation, I will give your theory a proper read though.

You’re welcome, good luck with addressing the white men with jobs issue.

Pretty sure it's at least 80% plus?

Not in the USA.