Teacher conduct - clapping at DS

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DS 13 got sent out of class today for talking to another student (friend) and not paying attention when he should have been.
He got a warning first.
He talked again to the same student a second time about 10 minutes later.
For this, he got sent out of the room to go in to isolation for the rest of the school day, followed by an hour after school detention.

As he got his stuff together and walked out of the room, the teacher started clapping at him. He said to DS "Well done you just got yourself an isolation and a detention" then clapped with his hands raised up above his head and carried on clapping at DS as he walked through the room and out of the door. Whilst the teacher was clapping, the other students joined in and started clapping too, and the teacher allowed this and carried on himself.

I've had dialogue with the school to confirm that DS was talking and to check whether he was doing anything more than this, and the teacher has confirmed that he was punished for talking when he should have been listening to the teacher, on 2 separate occasions in the lesson. Nothing more.

I accept that talking when he shouldn't have been talking and that this has received a punishment of being sent out, sent to isolation and given a 1 hour detention. But I've got a really big issue with the clapping. DS accepts he shouldn't have been talking and has aplogised about this and seems regretful for his actions. But he says the clapping from the teacher and other students whilst he walked through them all to leave the room made him feel humiliated and I've taken issue with this.

AIBU?

🙄 ridiculous

But you still don't know that this happened this way. You havent spoken to the teacher about this part so don't have both sides or a full picture.

Yep. It's not the clapping, it's the acknowledgment that how dare anyone have the thought their prince/ss
Have any negative impact on anyone....
Doesn't everyone know Tabitha and Guilliam are poor victims..

Oh you’ve really eloquently & persuasively made your point. that eyeroll, nailed it @JaneEyre40
You would not get away with sarcastic clapping in adult workplace, so it’s not ok at school

This is a teacher who lost control. Frustration caused it and they don’t have sufficient control of themselves to not show it. If they have insight, they’ll already be regretting it. If they don’t, no complaint will wake them up.

You know who this teacher is now; I wouldn’t do anything with that information other than telling DS to make sure he behaves.

Bloody hell snowflake situation...

And people wonder why teachers quit...

Instead of being ashamed of his poor behaviour, you're worried he might have hurty feelings from a bit of peer pressure to behave in class? Jeez.

So did you say the simple sentence to “I was humiliated”

“oh well 🤷‍♀️ you’ll shut up when told next time then won’t you?”

I had numerous times ds was in school where he didn’t like the response to his behaviours. Sometimes I agreed with him that it wouldn’t be the response I’d want or give. However I remained in the camp that if you don’t like negative responses then don’t behave negatively as you can’t control someone else’s reactions .

But op has no idea what parts of this are true! Obviously the boy is defensive as he got in trouble and his feiend will of course back him up. Op needs to find out the school's version of events.

Children are full human beings but they’re not full adults. Treating them like adults, when they are not, actually does them a serious disservice.

Teachers should be questioning why kids are chatting, its perhaps because teachers aren't engaging the kids properly and they're bored.

Are you aware the national curriculum is set by the government?
Are you aware exam content is set by the exam boards?
Are you aware in the majority of secondary schools now that the course content is predesigned and standardised?

There is very little teacher creativity possible anymore. Even adjusting a Powerpoint to suit a class can be controversial.

On top of that, teachers aren't entertainers. Learning isn't always fun.

Particularly when the learning is being disrupted.

I agree.

I agree, its the behaviour of a bully and the message that it sends to the rest of the class is that its OK to pick on this kid because the teacher themselves is doing it.

Obviously, your son shouldn't have been talking and was reprimanded and punishments set.

But there was no need for this behaviour... getting the whole class to join in. More disruptive than the talking.

Kids lose all respect for adults who treat them like this.

I would keep an eye on this situation because the teacher got such a good response from the rest of the class ganging up with him to clap.. that he will probably use that method again to get the class on his side.

Repellent.

Teacher sounds like a nasty bully! But it’s a lesson for your son that might have a twat for a boss one day

I'd hate to work with you!

It’s the thread that has all the back in the ole days tropes and the nowdays insults
back in day teachers hit ‘em kids….and the kids respected them for it
Awww they’re all snowflakes I tell you. No resilience

Sarcastic clapping by teacher is fundamentally a loss of control, inability to regulate oneself and be a composed teacher. Sarcasm is both reprimand and punishment. The teacher should have retained composure and control

If this is a one off from the teacher I'd let it go and tell my child none of that would have happened if he'd stopped talking. The isolation and detention is quite a leap just for talking. Any chance your son is not telling the full story?

He could have just sent him out without the performance. I think it was nasty. Particularly if he is not a repeat offender.

Wholeheartedly agree.

When I was at junior school, many, many years ago, I was in the corridor making loads of noise with my friend and a teacher called us into his classroom and got the whole class to tut, tut, tut at us while he told us off, I was mortified, the class was the year above which made it worse. But I got over it in about an hour and I look back and laugh about it now (although I remained terrified of that teacher for the rest of my time at school and never made noise in the hallway again!). When I was in senior school teachers used to scream and throw board rubbers and pens at us (showing my age now).

I admit, if it were my son and a teacher did this to her, I wouldn’t be overly pleased, but I wouldn’t make a fuss. He’ll get over it and hopefully look back and laugh one day about his unhinged teacher.

Your ds should behave better. It’s other kids education he’s damaging with his disruptive behaviour, not just his own.

Funny how most school staff actually disagree with the behaviour of the teacher. I wonder why?

Yep. that parent.
The one who mysteriously decides to complain after their kid has been reprimanded for doing something wrong.
Teachers leave the profession because of this.
Stop complaining and parent your child into not disrupting the learning of 29 other children and the evening planning of a professional adult.

Yes the pupils should behave better and mum can address that
The teacher should not behave inappropriately and the HT can address that
One is adolescent who needs to grow up. Other is professionally qualified with a lapse in judgment

That’s why I think there’s more to it. As a concerned parent, I’d be asking how many behaviour points the child has (it’s September) and clarifying whether this is a one-off incident or part of a pattern.

Do they? I’d be interested to know how many current and working secondary school state teachers support what you’ve posted.