Teacher conduct - clapping at DS

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DS 13 got sent out of class today for talking to another student (friend) and not paying attention when he should have been.
He got a warning first.
He talked again to the same student a second time about 10 minutes later.
For this, he got sent out of the room to go in to isolation for the rest of the school day, followed by an hour after school detention.

As he got his stuff together and walked out of the room, the teacher started clapping at him. He said to DS "Well done you just got yourself an isolation and a detention" then clapped with his hands raised up above his head and carried on clapping at DS as he walked through the room and out of the door. Whilst the teacher was clapping, the other students joined in and started clapping too, and the teacher allowed this and carried on himself.

I've had dialogue with the school to confirm that DS was talking and to check whether he was doing anything more than this, and the teacher has confirmed that he was punished for talking when he should have been listening to the teacher, on 2 separate occasions in the lesson. Nothing more.

I accept that talking when he shouldn't have been talking and that this has received a punishment of being sent out, sent to isolation and given a 1 hour detention. But I've got a really big issue with the clapping. DS accepts he shouldn't have been talking and has aplogised about this and seems regretful for his actions. But he says the clapping from the teacher and other students whilst he walked through them all to leave the room made him feel humiliated and I've taken issue with this.

AIBU?

You are comparing a student bringing in a butchers knife to chatting to a friend??? W.T.A.F

I'm thinking teaching isn't for you if you are this sensitive, the kids are far more brutal than the teachers

Report - one less teacher whilst this very serious incident is investigated. Let’s hope the supply teacher is Mary Poppins.

@MyLimeGuide really not the arrogant, class disrupter?

Can't it be a case of both? Hopefully the OP has told her son that his behaviour was unacceptable and warned of consequences for further misbehaviour - take his video games away for a week, ground him etc. But at the same time, do you think it was professional of the member of staff to clap as he left the room, thus disrupting the lesson even further?

Sounds as if a bit of humiliation would do him the world of good.

No - I’m saying there must be a good reason the sweet, under the radar, shy child was sent out because it’s not usual to send a child to isolation for very little reason.

The ‘in our day’ brigade are out in force tonight I see

I must have missed something, I thought i read a kid was chatting to a friend, twice, he got sent to isolation for the rest of the day and as he left the teacher was clapping and the rest of the class joined in? If I have got this all wrong please correct me.

Wouldn’t HAVE even happened.

I have a 12 year old boy- 1) I think the punishment doesn’t fit the crime, yes he should be told off but a full days isolation and a detention? 2) The teachers response is a bit like bullying. I wouldn’t be happy tbh.

There will probably be CCTV - there is in most secondary classrooms. OP has raised concerns, let the investigation go ahead.

Im just very anti humiliating children. I believe there are better ways to deal with things.

I'm sure the teacher and other students where fuming when the class was disrupted twice by OP son

Get meeting arranged with hoy and head of saddguarding assp. I work in secondary if j saw a colleague do this j would report him to the head. This is ritual humiliation.

Teacher sounds like a bully. I’d be fuming. Public humiliation is NEVER an appropriate punishment and most especially for something so minor as speaking without permission.

If the school responds similarly to the majority on here, I would be looking for a different school that actually treats children like full human beings.

The same child has been sent out of class over 50 times - he disrupts the class on a regular basis

The teacher sounds awful. The clapping was not needed at all. To be fair a hours detention was not needed .
Humiliation should never be used by a teacher . It shows lack of control and anger .

Some of these answers are completely batshit. Talking in class doesn't deserve a day in isolation, let alone a ritual humiliation from a twat of a teacher.

As a parent of three i would support the school if my child had done wrong but i would not tolerate them being humiliated .

Disciplining someone (your son,giving them detention) is one thing.

Clapping at them is an attempt to humiliate them.

Discipline is ok, humiliation is not.

You try controlling 35 fifteen year olds and then come back and talk about behaviour management.

Behaviour management starts at home. Teaching them respect and how to behave in different situations. Not leaping to their defence after they've done something wrong.

Yeah not on. Mind you isolation and 1 hour detention for talking twice. Jeez, I know low level is disruptive for others, but is fairly normal. Even on high level work meetings people on occasion have a side chat. Things have got out of perspective discipline wise.

That kind of punishment fur something so minor, what's left in the bank for more serious stuff??!!

Teachers should be questioning why kids are chatting, its perhaps because teachers aren't engaging the kids properly and they're bored.

Teacher, now retired, after many decades.
I’m appalled by the teacher clapping, inexcusable.
I would never have done this.
I very rarely sent a student out of my class, not because I was a pushover, but because I understood students, gave them every chance to put poor choices right, talked through consequences. They’re kids, they’re learning their way in a difficult world. Some teachers can’t see the bigger picture. So frustrating.

That makes the teacher & school. worse rather than better.
Such repeated disruption is almost always caused by unrecognised or unaccommodated SEN. Especially if increasingly extreme punishments have had zero effect on the child’s ability to control their behaviour.