What would be the one thing that put you off hiring someone?

[greyrabbits]

Of all the things that would put you off giving someone a job, what’s the one thing that’s a definite no thanks.

Only if you're stupid enough to tell them that's the reason they weren't offered the job.

Define 'unwell'? And how on earth is someone with health problems 'saying' any of that? Your post doesn't make much sense.

Sorry, I could have been clearer. By ‘unwell’, I mean turning up clearly symptomatic with a virus.

Ah OK, thanks for clarifying (and I agree).

Face. Neck. Hands. Unless you are interviewing completely veiled these would be seen

So you’re just a judgemental bigot. Got it.

We once had a female trainee teacher who identified as male. Absolutely no problem, except that they kept arguing with the children when they forgot to call them ‘sir’. It soon became apparent that this was more important to them than teaching subject content and ensuring a harmonious classroom.

They didn’t end up going into teaching but if any candidate made themselves and their feelings more central to the role than that of the children they taught, I would presume that they were ill-suited to the job, and would struggle to enjoy teaching.

gender identity is not a protected characteristic. Sexual orientation is, but as we now know from FWS that refers to attraction to the same/oppositr/both biological sexes. ie, being gay, lesbian, bi or straight. Nothing to do with declaring pronouns, unless the person I has the PC of GR. however, must pronoun declarers are not trans themselves, but “allies” so don’t have the Pc of GR

Okay, I googled that and you're not wrong. It's only a protected characteristic if you're planning to, are undergoing or have undergone gender reassignment surgery.

Either way, I think it's an arsehole thing to do to turn someone down for a job because of the gender they identify as.

Being an arsehole move isn’t the same as it being illegal. And anyway, turning it round, surely you wouldn’t want to work for an arsehole business?

Errrm, what part of job recruitment do you think ISN'T about judging/evaluating the person in front of you?

As I said, this is on Planet Reality not Planet Nonsense.

I know that being an arsehole isn't the same as it being illegal. I specifically said that.

And of course not. If I knew prior to applying that they were arseholes, I wouldn't apply. If I found out during the interview, I would literally walk out. If I found out while working there, I'd quit.

People are being naive if they don't realise that businesses can not hire you for whatever reason they like.

They will not necessarily state the real reason.

This may not be right, but it's life.

Well, bully for you. I'd be interested to know how many jobs you've held down if you've been this openly combative.

Asking those kind of questions would be sexual harassment though and unacceptable in any workplace irrespective of gender identity, sexual orientation.

I really wish the whole “bring your whole self” to work thing would fuck off. Clearly people should be treated decently and not discriminated against but stuff like flag waving and promoting fetish lifestyles (eg reported cases where men have come to work in fetish gear) have no place in work environment

Quite. What a dense view. Kinda alarming giving how many Irish people apply for medical roles in the N HAITCH S too..

I've actually held down a few jobs. I didn't scream and shout and yell at my managers, but did tell them that people had to be more accepting if they didn't want to have such a high turnover rate. They listened. Funny that, isn't it?

This.

People need to bring their professional selves to work. What you do in the bedroom should stay there.

I bet the managers LOVED being told what to do by a new hire. I would have been so delighted to be put right in that way. And counting down the days until the end of the probationary period to get rid.

They didn't get rid of me after the probationary period. They actually found that they were retaining more people 🤷🏻‍♂️ jokes on you, I guess. I didn't do it at many jobs. Only one or two. The rest of the companies I've worked for were actually openly progressive

Everyone saying they wouldn’t hire a person for being non-binary - it’s so extremely narrow-minded and assumes all non-binary people are the same (eg. annoying, bangs on about gender & pronouns all the time, over-sensitive, makes complaint to HR for the slightest thing etc.) I thought most people on MN were supposed to be well-educated…shouldn’t that mean you’re smart enough to know media hype doesn’t equal gospel truth and that people are individuals?! It’s clear you don’t know any non-binary people IRL and I don’t use this term likely (cos TRAs love to throw it about) but you’re being bigoted. This is coming from someone who holds many GC views, and as a lesbian, I especially resent non-binary women, who I feel are letting down gender non-conforming women..BUT I also know a number of non-binary people. They couldn’t be further from the stereotype you imagine. One in particular has got the funniest, driest sense of humour of everyone I know, never talks about gender or pronouns, doesn’t care if people forget to say ‘they’, knows and respects my GC views and is always willing to listen to other points of view. The other non-binary people I know are equally chill. Maybe it’s cos I wouldn’t ever be friends with one who was entitled, talked constantly about gender, was extremely easily offended etc, I know they exist but IME they are in the minority. The ones shouting about being misgendered on Tik Tok really do not represent the majority. Open your mind, it’s good for you to have people in your life who you disagree with. It helps you become more open-minded, empathetic, and balanced.

I love everything about your comment. I have one question though, coming from a completely non-judgemental and open-minded space. Why do you resent women who identify as non-binary?

If someone doesn't talk about pronouns, I struggle to understand in what sense they are actually 'non binary'?

Because if what non binary means is that they don't comply with wholly male or wholly female stereotypes, then surely that describes 99% of people?

If they told me their pronouns.

I actually do know someone who claims to be NB and is lovely and doesn’t care about being “msgendered”. I do roll my eyes though, as she’s no more NB than I am, she’s basically a heterosexual woman who isn’t “girly” .

I’ve come across far more though that are absolute pains in the arse and that you wouldn’t want to be saddled with working for you.

And at the job application stage when all you have is a CV with “they/them” on it you have no idea which one you are going to get.

like it or not as someone above said this is reality and if you’re going to label yourself with a ridiculous identity you have to assume the risk that it makes you not an attractive prospect in the job market.