To think there is some kind of weird push towards the far right?

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I’m the first to admit that I am not the best informed - I prefer to keep my life stress free and simple as much as possible, and don’t have a TV, don’t read papers, and only listen to the radio when I’m driving (which is quite often). For my own mental health I prefer to live in my own little bubble.

But even with my limited exposure to media, I’ve noticed on Radio 2, both on the news and Jeremy Vine’s show, Reform are being given so much air time considering their paltry amount of MPs, the polls are being discussed regularly even though we’re years from an election. More than once listening to the radio I’ve thought the way they’re talking makes it sound like Reform winning the next election is a done deal, and thought to myself that this is how self fulfilling prophecies happen.

My algorithms on FB are seriously messed up. Despite having never been remotely interested in anything in the least bit right wing, all of a sudden I’m getting endless posts from knuckle dragging ‘patriot’ groups that I don’t even follow, with really horrendous and openly racist comments, thousands of them, which somehow FB are allowing to remain even though any kind of hate speech has always been censored on there. Why are these posts suddenly being allowed and pushed in my face?

Alongside this there seems to be a new story pretty much every day about the latest scandal involving Labour (again reported by the BBC), ok these things aren’t great although compared to the Tories’ rap list from their last spell in government, are fairly small fry really. It seems like there’s an active push for people to rebel away from the left just as the far right are gaining momentum.

Has anyone else noticed this or am I talking shite?

Please provide the source for your figures?

You are correct, the British people voted in an election for the type of government they wanted and rejected a right leaning one, in favour of a Labour government. Something those on the right side of politics are currently trying to conveniently forget

This government has a mandate for four more years to fulfill their manifesto, no amount of failed Conservatives jumping to Reform is going to change this.

Reform is the only party currently campaigning, and they are still polling at only 34%. When we get closer to an election, when other parties start campaigning and when they are held to account on their policies, I expect this to drop. This is an example of what their members think of the voting population.

The police don't lie about this stuff - why would they?

I suppose they also made up the fact that 26 police officers were injured while trying to prevent Tommy fans from attacking the anti-racist march that was happening at the same time. A mate of mine was at that one. She said it was terrifying - they were effectively kettled by the yobs trapping them in a pincer movement from behind and in front. Which was clearly done deliberately.

It's also clear from the footage that it was 90% white men attending.

I mean, it was just the '80s and '90s BNP/EDL stuff with a different name (although the same organiser, what with Tommy Robinson founding the EDL - along with former co-leader and convicted paedophile Richard Price) and slightly better PR. We've seen it all before, and this time it's no different.

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Thanks for your explanations.
And I agree there was unusual lobbying and opinion forming when this all kicked off. My incorrect assumption was that you discounted early interference on the TRA side, because generally when we hear of bot farms, we associate them with building opinion on what is considered the "wrong side of history" TM. I am a little sceptical of the scale of influence this had, but appreciate your insights.

Maybe engage more in what's going on than trying to disengage and watch dog videos. We need people to protest against "this shite". Doing nothing is exactly what these peope want and how fucked up countries become due to passive disinterest.

Wrong on all points. Listen harder.

If by credible outlet, you mean the BBC and Sky News, that's not news, that's propaganda. They show people what they want thrm to see. Many led with stories of 'violent clashes'... there were just 25 arrests at this so-called 'facist' rally on Saturday, against 423 for the 'family friendly' Notting Hill Carnival. I don't recall seeing widespread coverage of these 'violent clashes' 🤔

The aerial pictures of UTK are available all over YouTube - look at these and tell me again how this is just 150,000 people!?

Have no idea what a Reform govt will be like - but I do know that NOTHING can be worse than the absolute shower we've got in govt currently.

OK, whatever you say... 🙄

Typical response. Don't like the facts as they don't fit your narrative so Iyou will roll your eyes and ignore in favour of made up bollocks.

The Conservatives aren’t right leaning.

The UK didn’t particularly want a Labour government; they just didn’t want the Conservatives. That’s how Labour won it - they barely said a word, but it was handed to them just by virtue of not being the Tories.

Reform is the only party currently campaigning, and they are still polling at only 34%.

When you consider only 20% of voters voted for the current Labour government….

Reform split the Tory vote.

Starmer fights Reform on their terms because he has no political ideology and policy prescription to fix the issues in society. This government have no real aim beyond staying in power.

Labour are getting crushed in the polls. There’s no massive cohort of diehard Starmer fans or people who will vote for Starmer to keep Reform out.

Its’s a complete shit show that will directly lead to a Reform government, with Corbyn now dividing the left vote even further! - it’s a massive gift he’s giving them.

Corbyn will now do the same for the left. Amusing really. He's so obsessed by being the rebel that he's happy to let the country go to Reform so he has someone to fight.

Laughs out loud.

There doesn't have to be a 'massive cohort of diehard Starmer fans', there just has to be enough of those that don't want an extreme right wing government - Reform!

You know it’s mostly legal migration, right?
And without this our system will collapse!
Universities which are already in extreme financial difficulty depend on foreign students, and the rest have to prove they can support themselves and pay tax.
Honestly you lot never let the facts get in the way of what you’ve been manipulated into thinking.

He's a massive fuckwit. I hadn't realised just how unelectable he was until 2019. Does his new mess even have a name yet?

You can also think legal immigration is too high.

Though he keeps winning his MP seat.

The number is just too high. Look around you - look at the discussion we’re having - you think these levels are sustainable, or desirable? Is this current level of immigration working? Obviously not.

The fact that he still hasn't got a name for it really isn't helping his reputation for dithering and indecisiveness, is it…

And the whole co-leader concept won’t end in total disaster will it? 😄

They got into a disagreement on the very first day it was launched because Corbyn wasn't ready to announce it yet, and took issue with the wording of "co-founded".

I mean… people are actually willing to believe these incompetents could be the last line of defence against the far right?

It's too low. We've got hundreds of thousands of unfilled job vacancies in social care, cleaning, hospitality. It's set to get a lot worse as we get an ever larger elderly population and a much smaller working population, due to the declining birth rate. We are dependent on immigration and that won't change.

I have often wondered if Corbyn isn't secretly just a massive Farage fan. He basically supported him over Brexit and will split the Labour vote and quite possibly allow him in at the next GE.

Immigration has increased because of the actions of the very people who are being lauded as the ones with the answers.

Nigel Farage, UKIP, the Brexit Party all had a direct hand in causing the increase in immigration numbers, enabled by the stupid actions of a spineless Tory government.

The British people definitely have a right to determine the future of the democracy they live in - unfortunately they seem to want to hand that future to the very people responsible for the problems they want fixing!

The bbc massively under-report ALL protests, regardless of subject matter or political leanings. I think its standard policy because if people knew the real numbers then more would be emboldened to join.

Our right to protest is meant to just be a theoretical thing, certainly it is considered bad form to actually put it into practise. Look at the drone footage from the weekend, the bbc claiming there were a mere 110,000 is taking their routine censorship to criminal levels.