To think there is some kind of weird push towards the far right?

[Checkcheckout]

I’m the first to admit that I am not the best informed - I prefer to keep my life stress free and simple as much as possible, and don’t have a TV, don’t read papers, and only listen to the radio when I’m driving (which is quite often). For my own mental health I prefer to live in my own little bubble.

But even with my limited exposure to media, I’ve noticed on Radio 2, both on the news and Jeremy Vine’s show, Reform are being given so much air time considering their paltry amount of MPs, the polls are being discussed regularly even though we’re years from an election. More than once listening to the radio I’ve thought the way they’re talking makes it sound like Reform winning the next election is a done deal, and thought to myself that this is how self fulfilling prophecies happen.

My algorithms on FB are seriously messed up. Despite having never been remotely interested in anything in the least bit right wing, all of a sudden I’m getting endless posts from knuckle dragging ‘patriot’ groups that I don’t even follow, with really horrendous and openly racist comments, thousands of them, which somehow FB are allowing to remain even though any kind of hate speech has always been censored on there. Why are these posts suddenly being allowed and pushed in my face?

Alongside this there seems to be a new story pretty much every day about the latest scandal involving Labour (again reported by the BBC), ok these things aren’t great although compared to the Tories’ rap list from their last spell in government, are fairly small fry really. It seems like there’s an active push for people to rebel away from the left just as the far right are gaining momentum.

Has anyone else noticed this or am I talking shite?

He’s a Brexiter at heart, so it was quite amusing watching his half-hearted campaign.

It’ll have to.

This state of affairs cant go on indefinitely, we can’t keep endlessly importing people.

What makes you think immigration is too high?

Assuming that it is not for outright racists reasons, I am going to guess that it is because our public services, the NHS, schools and housing are all creaking under the weight of immigrants?

But none of that is the fault of the immigrants - it is 14 years of austerity that had caused it. Without immigrants we would be in an even worse state - especially with a declining birth rate.

The increasing debt arguement does not track because the last Labour government made huge investments in public services and managed to keep debt less than 50% of GDP because those investments increased productivity and growth.

Even putting aside the financial crash and Covid, the Tories austerity measures which is what has decimated our public services had increased debt and suppressed growth so when you add in Covid and the financial crisis our debt to GDP ratio is now close to or just over 100%.

Key members of Reform have investments in American Health Insurance companies - it is in their interests to get elected so they can bring in an American style health system. Immigration concerns and under-investment in public services are just the tools they are using to get very, very rich.

The likes of Farage will then leave politics to go and enjoy his fortune while leaving the rest of us to suffer the consequences

It's grim up (Islington) North.

Who the fuck is importing people?

Key members of Reform have investments in American Health Insurance companies - it is in their interests to get elected so they can bring in an American style health system. Immigration concerns and under-investment in public services are just the tools they are using to get very, very rich.

The likes of Farage will then leave politics to go and enjoy his fortune while leaving the rest of us to suffer the consequences.

@BloominNora depressing thought. Even when it happens though, everyone who supported him/Reform will just blame the other side somehow. Everyone who got rich after Brexit was linked to key Brexiteers after all, but it's immigrants and "the Left" to blame.

The thing is, immigration has cost us dearly in many aspects of quality of life. Up until 70 or so years ago, the definition of an Englishman had been fixed since 1066. The ancestors of the British people worked and died for their own posterity. I am increasingly feeling as if we've thumbed our noses at that, in our arrogance and ignorance. There is a rampant avarice and entitlement held for Europe and the west generally which I have recently become aware of but suspect has been there for a long time. Britain is not simply an economic zone to be exploited. If I eye up my neighbours house and land as bigger and better than mine, do I have the right to knock on the door and demand some acreage?
My teen DD was set a documentary to watch by her teacher and the narrative it pedalled of how immigration has enriched our culture was astonishing. It spoke as if our ancient, incredible culture was nothing of note before Windrush. And that immigrants in the past century 'introduced' diversity.. as if we didn't already have an intricate, many-layered history of diversity before? I mean, there are four very distinct countries in Britain and that's just for starters. I wouldn't have blinked at that documentary two years ago, but it has dawned on me that we are being sold an agenda. I now find Sadiq Khan's mantra diversity is our strength quite sinister and extremely offensive. We already had strength.

I hate a lot of the things the weirdo element of the left does, which is composed mostly of young people obsessed with identity politics and policing speech. I'm not going to abandon my principles because of those assholes, because they are sincerely held principles and I'm not giving assholes any power over my beliefs and choices

But a vote for the Left is seen as an endorsement of those things you hate - and so they continue, only prolonging the issue and driving more people away. The only way to change that is to a) join and work to change these policy focuses; or b) vote with your feet ballot paper by not voting for the Left, showing them that they need to change and go back to the basics they used to stand for.

I knew Trump would win because the Left would not entertain the idea that they might be wrong about some things, and instead of stopping and assessing, they dug in deeper, alienating voters and driving the undecided to the right. So yes, it is partly the Left’s fault.

As for more Right Wing stuff on your pages, I see it like marketing: they think it’s becoming more popular so chuck a load of stuff out there, hoping some will land on a right wing person’s page.

Dear Christ your average Englishman is probably French in origin!

A lazy lie.

Hehe. You know who won the battle of Hastings right? And when it was?

What utter tripe. The 0.1% of a victorious ruling class yes. Open a history book sometime, an embarrassing level of ignorance. It concerns me so much that people repeat these sound bites they've heard on the Internet.

I pay about £300 a month in National Insurance contributions. That money goes towards pensions and paying for the National Health Service.

In what way am I not already paying some kind of private medical insurance in the form of NI Conts?

And you think that meant the entire population of Britain vanished overnight to be replaced with 'French'? Baffling.
The Normans were not exactly French either.

It's anything to hate your own culture and put others over your own.

Cultural marxism and so many have fallen for it.

So well said! Bravo.

The thing is, immigration has cost us dearly in many aspects of quality of life. Up until 70 or so years ago, the definition of an Englishman had been fixed since 1066. The ancestors of the British people worked and died for their own posterity.

I don't even know where to start with this whitewashed version of history.

Serf, indenture, starvation were all rife. My ancestors certainly weren't working and dying for their own prosperity, they were trying not to starve or freeze to death.

What is the definition of an Englishman and how has it changed?

What a stupid statement. You're in no way paying for private medical insurance in the form of NI contributions.

I agreed with every word of it. Perfectly stated.

I was making a point! But you know immigration from the near continent due to trade routes opening up, then further afield due to wars and spice routes etc.
and the original stock of Anglo Saxon emigrated from Germany.
It’s always been a thing

I'm sorry but people need to get real about immigration and what the future is going to look like for all of us.

Wars are getting worse and more frightening because of technology, resulting in more displaced people than ever before. They're also affecting food prices and people can't afford to live, not just here but everywhere.

The temperatures everywhere are getting hotter - some areas will become completely unliveable for everyone except the mega rich due to crops failing and people will have to move.

Where will they go? Somewhere they know the language and somewhere that feels familiar because they have been exposed to the culture via the internet/radio/television.

Because we've spent so many centuries exporting our culture and language, and the internet has only sped this up, people across the globe will want to come here.

No matter what the right do and what they promise, immigration is going to get worse and worse if we can't tackle the world-wide problems and shy away from them.

The lineage of the Britons goes back 3000 years.

Yet people will deny that heritage.

Who is doing that exactly? Just because I’ve not put a flag up on a lamp post does not mean I don’t love my country.

Who hates their own culture? I like my culture. I abhor the far right in the form of Robinson and co trying to diminish the achievements of my ancestors by denigrating the country they created.

The likes of Musk can get to fuck.

Here you go:-
The "original" people of the UK are complex, but generally refer to the pre-Roman Celtic Britons who inhabited the island. These groups arrived from continental Europe, forming the indigenous population long before Roman or Anglo-Saxon invasions. Further back, even earlier inhabitants and migrants contributed to the genetic and cultural blend of the UK's people.

ChatGPT is your friend to help with your understanding.