To think there is some kind of weird push towards the far right?

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I’m the first to admit that I am not the best informed - I prefer to keep my life stress free and simple as much as possible, and don’t have a TV, don’t read papers, and only listen to the radio when I’m driving (which is quite often). For my own mental health I prefer to live in my own little bubble.

But even with my limited exposure to media, I’ve noticed on Radio 2, both on the news and Jeremy Vine’s show, Reform are being given so much air time considering their paltry amount of MPs, the polls are being discussed regularly even though we’re years from an election. More than once listening to the radio I’ve thought the way they’re talking makes it sound like Reform winning the next election is a done deal, and thought to myself that this is how self fulfilling prophecies happen.

My algorithms on FB are seriously messed up. Despite having never been remotely interested in anything in the least bit right wing, all of a sudden I’m getting endless posts from knuckle dragging ‘patriot’ groups that I don’t even follow, with really horrendous and openly racist comments, thousands of them, which somehow FB are allowing to remain even though any kind of hate speech has always been censored on there. Why are these posts suddenly being allowed and pushed in my face?

Alongside this there seems to be a new story pretty much every day about the latest scandal involving Labour (again reported by the BBC), ok these things aren’t great although compared to the Tories’ rap list from their last spell in government, are fairly small fry really. It seems like there’s an active push for people to rebel away from the left just as the far right are gaining momentum.

Has anyone else noticed this or am I talking shite?

Same here.

The beautiful city I grew up in is a dump. The town my husband grew up in is unrecognisable now.

If disliking this change for the worse - and it is worse, no cultural enrichment going on there - makes me far right, so be it.

Well said.
I have so many misgivings about the current Labour Party's policies and some of the things that the far left come out with. Why would that drive me to the right? That would be completely against all that I have stood for over the many years I've been on this planet. I'm just hanging in there whilst we ride this tough time in UK politics.

Oikophobia affects your ability to see and learn anything.

Except AI....

Reform is socialist right. They promise big state benefits and spending and citizens' opportunities over foreigners / environment / international relations / international reputation.

Labour are busy battling over centre ground so Reform have moved in behind Labour blanks to promise rewards to working class.

Seems to me like the battle is all about relationship with state. Reform voters perceive the state will do more for them. As a centrist policy which got support from Business/Markets, Labour vowed to be responsible with government finances which meant some benefit cuts then Labour MPs rebelled, so then some Labour supporters have gone to Reform to get more from the state.

Tories are in disarray, and the other parties in England are true fringes.

Most people are choosing their vote for selfish reasons.

For some people, it has nothing to do with money and everything to do with culture, which one cannot buy.

Exactly, one of the reasons for the push to the right is that the left have helped demonise and minimise British culture as worthless and something to be ashamed off.

They just don't get that people are still proud of their Island.

Which aspects of British culture do you think have been demonised?

Where did I mentioned the working class? Criticism of the right for their vague slogans and scapegoating isn’t the same as criticising working people.

I sincerely hope you're not insinuating that the right and the working class are one and the same?

So those of you finishing with ‘if that makes me far right, so be it’ or words to that affect, do you have no idea of history, WW2, etc?

You think it’s ok to label yourself far right?

You think it’s ok to say what you like and do what you like without regard for other human beings in the name of free speech, to think Elon Musk has a valid point about the UK?

I find it very hard to understand the thinking.

The demonisation of the working class, for a start.

Can you expand upon what you mean?

I've lurked for 3 months and wanted to join the debate. Surely the more people we have talking about politics, the better?

A "Quarter of a Century'? Whatever you feel about Blair and New Labour the facts are that Child poverty between 1999 and 2007-08 had fallen in absolute terms by 50 % and median incomes in Britain also rose roughly 50 %. They wanted to tackle child poverty and they did make significant strides in this area, the Tories came along with their feverish Victorian values and undid all that good work with, 'Austerity'. That undoing is why we are in this political turmoil with Reform and their overly simplistic answers to problems accelerated by the policy of, 'Austerity'.

If anything, to me it feels like politics has moved much further to the left over the last thirty years. It's fascinating how different people experience the world so differently. Thankfully, we don't all have to think alike or even agree (that's what makes the world interesting!).

They say a lie travels round the world before the truth has chance to get its shoes on.

Don't be one of those people that spread lies that are easily disproveable with even the most cursory search:

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The headlines about GB news getting more viewers than the BBC in July compared GB News to BBC News - completely ignoring the fact that BBC1 was still the most watched channel and most people will access BBC news through the Six O'clock and Ten O'clock news broadcasts on BBC1 or on iPlayer 🙄

This is another flaw of the left's thinking. Do you think our Grandfathers and Great Grandfathers would be pleased at the state of the country as it is today? - they'd all would have been on the Unite the Kingdom march

Sure. Though “talking about politics” is quite different to pedalling russian propaganda with clichés from Putin’s textbooks.

George Soros gave you away, I’m afraid😁

What’s next? Dictator Zelensky?

Mine bloody wouldn't!

I’ll give you an example, assuming you’re asking in good faith.

The Resurrection, Cookham - a beautiful artwork now no longer on display.

Several of the black figures in the painting were criticised for being ‘stereotypical’ - and the artist deemed racist for his depiction of them. However, he lived in a small English village and had never actually met a black person. But he included them in the painting to show all mankind being resurrected.

Long after his death he’s accused of being racist for including black people, yet would have been accused of racism for not including them if he hadn’t. And now this artist is hidden away so no one can enjoy it.

Britain wasn’t always a nation of immigrants. We keep hearing this lie and the hope is that if we hear it enough, we’ll believe it. But it isn’t true, and people resent being lied to, about themselves and their history.

The left is ridiculous.

They can talk about the funding the right get, but mention the funding the left get and you're a Russian bot quoting Putin.

It's as laughable as it is desperate.

Why is 'Working Class' being equated with The Right ?...this has been a concerted campaign over the last few years. Its absolute rubbish and a way to divide us.

I could explain the thinking if I thought it would make any difference.

We didn’t leave the left, the left left us