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Why does no one in the West care?

112 replies

LifeisCruelinAfrica · 15/09/2025 09:19

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czewgl1171lo

150,000 deaths

Women and girls mass raped

Many crimes against humanity. Mass genocide.

A woman hold two children. She is wearing an orange gown and headscarf

Sudan conflict: RSF accused of crimes against humanity over el-Fasher siege

The group has allegedly carried out murder, rape and other crimes, a UN report says.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czewgl1171lo

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LifeisCruelinAfrica · 15/09/2025 09:21

More than 150,000 people have died in the conflict across the country, and about 12 million have fled their homes in what the United Nations has called the world's largest humanitarian crisis.

Are there too many conflicts and too.much going on in the world - so this one slips by barely noticed?

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Uskie · 15/09/2025 09:21

I know. And then there are posters saying we as a Western nation should not be helping.

It's dreadful.

Tiredofwhataboutery · 15/09/2025 09:31

We care but in all honesty I think the west is no longer the world’s policeman. Historically it’s an expensive exercise in failure. I think if a country has descended into war within its own borders then it’s going to be left to get on with it aside from a bit of international condemnation/ possible war crimes trials way down the line. Support to be given via UN for refugee camps in surrounding countries.

Fearfulsaints · 15/09/2025 09:39

I think the west dont personally feel under threat by it or that there are any resources they want from Sudan.

Its horrific, im surprised there arent more articles from a humanitarian perspective and agree with you on that front.

Alicelucy9 · 15/09/2025 09:40

Horrific 😢

LifeisCruelinAfrica · 15/09/2025 09:43

Fearfulsaints · 15/09/2025 09:39

I think the west dont personally feel under threat by it or that there are any resources they want from Sudan.

Its horrific, im surprised there arent more articles from a humanitarian perspective and agree with you on that front.

I agree.

It also doesn't capture people in the West so little news coverage.

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CoffeeCantata · 15/09/2025 09:44

Tiredofwhataboutery · 15/09/2025 09:31

We care but in all honesty I think the west is no longer the world’s policeman. Historically it’s an expensive exercise in failure. I think if a country has descended into war within its own borders then it’s going to be left to get on with it aside from a bit of international condemnation/ possible war crimes trials way down the line. Support to be given via UN for refugee camps in surrounding countries.

This.

We are criticised for getting involved in conflicts overseas - some say it’s an imperialist attitude. You can’t have it both ways!

I sometimes read that ‘we shouldn’t see Africa as a basket case - it doesn’t need or appreciate Western intervention “. Africa (which is a large number of very different nations anyway) can manage its own affairs, thank you.”

Honestly - “The West”, whatever that may be - and if it ever was an entity, it’s de-stabilising rapidly- can’t do right for doing wrong.

I think particularly Britain’s days of barging in and trying to help everyone around the world are over. We haven’t got the defence budget, for one thing.

The UN needs to take the lead, not The West.

LifeisCruelinAfrica · 15/09/2025 09:45

Tiredofwhataboutery · 15/09/2025 09:31

We care but in all honesty I think the west is no longer the world’s policeman. Historically it’s an expensive exercise in failure. I think if a country has descended into war within its own borders then it’s going to be left to get on with it aside from a bit of international condemnation/ possible war crimes trials way down the line. Support to be given via UN for refugee camps in surrounding countries.

I think that when the West intervene its criticised so doesn't bother anymore. Its a no win situation.

Sadly the people there just die and no one seems to care. These regimes destroy everything.

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LifeisCruelinAfrica · 15/09/2025 09:45

I think that when the West intervene its criticised so doesn't bother anymore. Its a no win situation.

Sadly the people there just die and no one seems to care. These regimes destroy everything.

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BMW6 · 15/09/2025 09:46

As pp has said, the West is not the world's Police.

I'm afraid I take the view that countries evolve in their own time and usually in blood and tears just as the West have.

Rather like Star Trek's non-interference directive.
As hard as it is I believe its the only way.

Fimofriend · 15/09/2025 09:50

I think you nailed it with " there are too many conflicts". People only have so much bandwidth and it is being stretched thin at the moment.

The wars in Ukraine, Gaza, Ethiopia, and Mali. The vaudeville show that is USA today.
Global warming.
Pollution.
The war on women.
The immigration crisis in Europe.
Decreased welfare in former welfare states.

Swiftie1878 · 15/09/2025 09:50

The west can’t afford to tackle every crisis zone. It’s a bottomless pit of money required.
I agree the UN should be doing more on a practical, political intervention level though.
It feels pretty toothless atm, due to its impotence around Russia and Israel.

LifeisCruelinAfrica · 15/09/2025 09:53

Fimofriend · 15/09/2025 09:50

I think you nailed it with " there are too many conflicts". People only have so much bandwidth and it is being stretched thin at the moment.

The wars in Ukraine, Gaza, Ethiopia, and Mali. The vaudeville show that is USA today.
Global warming.
Pollution.
The war on women.
The immigration crisis in Europe.
Decreased welfare in former welfare states.

Probably this then.

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AnyoneWhoHasAHeart · 15/09/2025 10:00

The reality is that this is Africa, and this has been happening all across Africa for centuries.

But more recently, Sudan, Zimbabwe, Ruanda. Most countries in Africa are tribal, and so there is always going to be tribal conflict. Is it for us to get involved? And if so then how?

Most governments are beyond corrupt but unfortunately a lot of countries in Africa have taken that corruption to the extreme, to the extent they’re pretty much public about it.

So other than giving funding to charities on the ground, giving funding to governments in many countries is literally throwing it away.

And ultimately, who are we to tell other countries how they should live? Would we appreciate the same?

It’s all very well for us to say that this and that shouldn’t happen because that’s not what we would do, but what if another country started dictating to us? Should we tolerate that? Because we can’t have it both ways.

crowsfeet57 · 15/09/2025 10:05

Every time the West interferes we make matters worse for the people of that country. It's hard to stand by. But it's the only solution.

Mumski45 · 15/09/2025 10:06

I think caring and having the ability to improve the situation are 2 different things. There are many wrongs being done in our own country that no one seems to ‘care’ about despite our ability to do something. I’m talking about the treatment of elderly, disabled and mentally ill people. You only know how bad the situation here really is until you have a need of these services. It’s difficult to prioritise the wrongs being perpetrated by regimes we have no control over when you see wrongs much closer to home which aren’t being dealt with but which we should have control of.

LifeisCruelinAfrica · 15/09/2025 10:07

crowsfeet57 · 15/09/2025 10:05

Every time the West interferes we make matters worse for the people of that country. It's hard to stand by. But it's the only solution.

Could it be worse than it is in Sudan? 150,000 plus dead and over 12 million displaced.

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LifeisCruelinAfrica · 15/09/2025 10:08

Mumski45 · 15/09/2025 10:06

I think caring and having the ability to improve the situation are 2 different things. There are many wrongs being done in our own country that no one seems to ‘care’ about despite our ability to do something. I’m talking about the treatment of elderly, disabled and mentally ill people. You only know how bad the situation here really is until you have a need of these services. It’s difficult to prioritise the wrongs being perpetrated by regimes we have no control over when you see wrongs much closer to home which aren’t being dealt with but which we should have control of.

We have many unresolved problems. I guess we cannot help everyone.

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Greggsit · 15/09/2025 10:09

I'm in Ireland. I hear a lot of radio ads for donations the charities working in Sudan. It's not going completely under the radar.

Tiredofwhataboutery · 15/09/2025 10:10

LifeisCruelinAfrica · 15/09/2025 10:07

Could it be worse than it is in Sudan? 150,000 plus dead and over 12 million displaced.

What do we do though? Boots on the ground, install a new leader/ regime come back in 10-30 years when it all goes. To shit again at a cost of billions. It doesn’t work.

crowsfeet57 · 15/09/2025 10:12

LifeisCruelinAfrica · 15/09/2025 10:07

Could it be worse than it is in Sudan? 150,000 plus dead and over 12 million displaced.

We kicked Sadam Hussein out of Iraq and Isis moved in. When the Russians left Afghanistan the Taliban took over. You can't possibly imagine that life improved for those people.

JHound · 15/09/2025 10:13

“Noone”?

That’s not accurate. At least not in my bubble.

Also if “nobody” cared then it would not be covered by social media.

I think the issue for Sudan is:

It’s known for being a desperately poor country
It seems to be in perpetual war
Our government is not funding this conflict.

I think a combination of these leads to a general apathy.

But also people think nothing is to be done. It’s not like we have significant trade with Sudan.

LifeisCruelinAfrica · 15/09/2025 10:14

crowsfeet57 · 15/09/2025 10:12

We kicked Sadam Hussein out of Iraq and Isis moved in. When the Russians left Afghanistan the Taliban took over. You can't possibly imagine that life improved for those people.

Best not to ever get involved then. Leave them to it.

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LifeisCruelinAfrica · 15/09/2025 10:15

JHound · 15/09/2025 10:13

“Noone”?

That’s not accurate. At least not in my bubble.

Also if “nobody” cared then it would not be covered by social media.

I think the issue for Sudan is:

It’s known for being a desperately poor country
It seems to be in perpetual war
Our government is not funding this conflict.

I think a combination of these leads to a general apathy.

But also people think nothing is to be done. It’s not like we have significant trade with Sudan.

Edited

There is definitely apathy towards Sudan and its 150,000 plus deaths.

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Molecheck · 15/09/2025 10:16

I think people in the west care. What’s happening is appalling. However- I’m struggling to pay my mortgage that’ has increased and my food bills and feed my children. I’m putting out my own fires over here and living day to day. I don’t disagree it’s awful but I also think we’re in a time ourselves where we are struggling and no longer have the ability to provide for the rest of the world .

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