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Why does no one in the West care?

112 replies

LifeisCruelinAfrica · 15/09/2025 09:19

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czewgl1171lo

150,000 deaths

Women and girls mass raped

Many crimes against humanity. Mass genocide.

A woman hold two children. She is wearing an orange gown and headscarf

Sudan conflict: RSF accused of crimes against humanity over el-Fasher siege

The group has allegedly carried out murder, rape and other crimes, a UN report says.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czewgl1171lo

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Ungulanta · 15/09/2025 11:23

LifeisCruelinAfrica · 15/09/2025 09:19

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czewgl1171lo

150,000 deaths

Women and girls mass raped

Many crimes against humanity. Mass genocide.

It's because the perpetrators aren't Jewish.

PaxAeterna · 15/09/2025 11:26

We have very little diplomatic leverage in the situation. There is no clear “ask” to target the UK government with.

I think people do care but there is very little content coming from Sudan because of the poor communications infrastructure. So this means it gets much less media coverage.

From this thread it seems that people dismiss conflicts in Africa as “tribal” or “their own problem”. This isn’t really true as there are many foreign influences in this war but obviously that is what people think.

Fascinated that people see the UK’s role in Africa as being “the world’s police” . That’s not what happened.

HoppingPavlova · 15/09/2025 11:44

I believe ‘the West’ does care, but it has very few/no solutions. It’s not like Russia, as sanctions/striking trade details/quarantining funds outside the country will do nothing as there is so little of that to work with. Apart from the West literally storming these countries and taking them over, which would cause an even bigger outcry, what is the solution? Aid is provided, but mainly that is often mismanaged by corruption in these countries, so what do you believe is the answer here?

CoffeeCantata · 15/09/2025 11:50

HoppingPavlova · 15/09/2025 11:44

I believe ‘the West’ does care, but it has very few/no solutions. It’s not like Russia, as sanctions/striking trade details/quarantining funds outside the country will do nothing as there is so little of that to work with. Apart from the West literally storming these countries and taking them over, which would cause an even bigger outcry, what is the solution? Aid is provided, but mainly that is often mismanaged by corruption in these countries, so what do you believe is the answer here?

Yes - that is the question. Any ideas from those who think TheWest should get involved?

dottiehens · 15/09/2025 11:51

LifeisCruelinAfrica · 15/09/2025 09:21

More than 150,000 people have died in the conflict across the country, and about 12 million have fled their homes in what the United Nations has called the world's largest humanitarian crisis.

Are there too many conflicts and too.much going on in the world - so this one slips by barely noticed?

Tbh it seems to be the UN quote all the time. These countries even though is sad need to sort themselves out.

Alicelucy9 · 15/09/2025 11:54

Ungulanta · 15/09/2025 11:23

It's because the perpetrators aren't Jewish.

Don't be ridiculous. Many people are far less critical of Israel specifically because it is a Jewish country and they don't want to be seen as Anti Semitic.

Tiredofwhataboutery · 15/09/2025 11:54

PaxAeterna · 15/09/2025 11:26

We have very little diplomatic leverage in the situation. There is no clear “ask” to target the UK government with.

I think people do care but there is very little content coming from Sudan because of the poor communications infrastructure. So this means it gets much less media coverage.

From this thread it seems that people dismiss conflicts in Africa as “tribal” or “their own problem”. This isn’t really true as there are many foreign influences in this war but obviously that is what people think.

Fascinated that people see the UK’s role in Africa as being “the world’s police” . That’s not what happened.

I don’t think historically the Uk had that role in Africa. I think the U.S. had a good go at being the world policeman backed up by the west post WW2 I think manipulating / interfering in another country comes back to bite you. Get rid of a despot and it creates a vacuum generally filled by someone equally bad (although perhaps for different reasons?)

Alicelucy9 · 15/09/2025 12:00

Tiredofwhataboutery · 15/09/2025 11:54

I don’t think historically the Uk had that role in Africa. I think the U.S. had a good go at being the world policeman backed up by the west post WW2 I think manipulating / interfering in another country comes back to bite you. Get rid of a despot and it creates a vacuum generally filled by someone equally bad (although perhaps for different reasons?)

I mean if you go far back enough we did, 'Pax Britannia' and all that.

Poetnojo · 15/09/2025 12:06

Ungulanta · 15/09/2025 11:23

It's because the perpetrators aren't Jewish.

This with bells on

AirborneElephant · 15/09/2025 12:15

Ukraine and Gaza are wars of aggression. One country has invaded another or two countries have declared war. Yemen and Sudan are civil wars with different local factions fighting each other. The first type of war can sometimes be solved with a peace treaty and international sanctions, and sometimes needs other countries to to intervene to make it clear that further expansion will not be tolerated, eg Russia. But a civil war is almost impossible to fix. As others have said, what do you want to do when both sides are committing atrocities? If we did intervene what would we then do?

JHound · 15/09/2025 12:17

Ungulanta · 15/09/2025 11:23

It's because the perpetrators aren't Jewish.

🙄

BerkoFilter · 15/09/2025 12:19

What a guilt trippy headliner “ why does nobody in the west care”. Give over.

Tipeetommeey · 15/09/2025 12:25

It doesn’t involve Jews so it doesn’t interest people and I’m afraid that’s the truth

YesImaman1100 · 15/09/2025 12:29

JHound · 15/09/2025 11:00

Africa is a continent. OP is talking about one country: Sudan.

I am referring to the whole continent, there are conflicts all over. Don't be so patronising.

YesImaman1100 · 15/09/2025 12:29

AirborneElephant · 15/09/2025 12:15

Ukraine and Gaza are wars of aggression. One country has invaded another or two countries have declared war. Yemen and Sudan are civil wars with different local factions fighting each other. The first type of war can sometimes be solved with a peace treaty and international sanctions, and sometimes needs other countries to to intervene to make it clear that further expansion will not be tolerated, eg Russia. But a civil war is almost impossible to fix. As others have said, what do you want to do when both sides are committing atrocities? If we did intervene what would we then do?

Edited

Some sense at last.

WarmWasabi · 15/09/2025 12:32

I care but I fear I’m in the minority. Sudan isn’t as trendy as Palestine. A lot of people can’t see past their own nose.

Purpee · 15/09/2025 12:40

The West has made it very clear that it will only get involved in conflicts where there is a benefit to themselves. Even if that means supporting aggressors.

This conflict is a tragedy. It's unbelievably upsetting to read about. Most discourse I see around it involves using it as a political football, rather than being discussed in its own right. Including on this thread sadly. Or in charity appeals as a PP said.

CoffeeCantata · 15/09/2025 13:48

Pharazon · 15/09/2025 10:48

Honestly this entire thread can be summed up as "I know nothing about something therefore it doesn't exist." Or else it is just a roundabout dig at UK supporters of Palestine.

I think you’re imagining that.

Justdontknowhow · 15/09/2025 14:02

CoffeeCantata · 15/09/2025 09:44

This.

We are criticised for getting involved in conflicts overseas - some say it’s an imperialist attitude. You can’t have it both ways!

I sometimes read that ‘we shouldn’t see Africa as a basket case - it doesn’t need or appreciate Western intervention “. Africa (which is a large number of very different nations anyway) can manage its own affairs, thank you.”

Honestly - “The West”, whatever that may be - and if it ever was an entity, it’s de-stabilising rapidly- can’t do right for doing wrong.

I think particularly Britain’s days of barging in and trying to help everyone around the world are over. We haven’t got the defence budget, for one thing.

The UN needs to take the lead, not The West.

As an Irish person whose country was on the receiving end of Britain “barging in and helping everyone “. A huge amount of issues are hangovers from Britain’s vile and rampant colonisation -see Rwanda to name just one. “Barging in and helping everyone” is one of the most ridiculous things I’ve read about the British forces on here . Please read up on your history and the impact it has had globally .

Pharazon · 15/09/2025 14:34

Justdontknowhow · 15/09/2025 14:02

As an Irish person whose country was on the receiving end of Britain “barging in and helping everyone “. A huge amount of issues are hangovers from Britain’s vile and rampant colonisation -see Rwanda to name just one. “Barging in and helping everyone” is one of the most ridiculous things I’ve read about the British forces on here . Please read up on your history and the impact it has had globally .

While I agree with the sentiment, it has to be said that Rwanda is Belgium's mess, not the UK's.

coxesorangepippin · 15/09/2025 14:35

They're too comfortable

coxesorangepippin · 15/09/2025 14:36

Also, what Reese said

These problems need to be sorted by African countries - not the white saviors

Tiredofwhataboutery · 15/09/2025 14:46

Alicelucy9 · 15/09/2025 12:00

I mean if you go far back enough we did, 'Pax Britannia' and all that.

I thought we more colonised and stole stuff as opposed to trying to tell them how to run their own affairs.

EasternStandard · 15/09/2025 14:51

I care but I’m not sure what people think the west should do for this conflict?

Fearfulsaints · 15/09/2025 14:54

Tiredofwhataboutery · 15/09/2025 14:46

I thought we more colonised and stole stuff as opposed to trying to tell them how to run their own affairs.

I thought colonsisation meant mposing political control and interfering with how things were done.

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